AT guns !!!

What about the ZiS-2 57mm AT gun? if i remember right it had very good penitration.

 

not as good as the british 6pdr though

 

The Zis 2 had a longer barrel than the 6 pounder, giving it a longer effective range...

 

yeah but the zis wasnt as light an manouverable as the 6pdr

 

Not many towed AT guns are light and maneuvrable...

A light and maneuvrable AT gun is called a 'tank'

 

ZIS-2 was high velocity gun,with great penetration ability and acuracy,but caliber was pretty low,only 57mm so shell got chance to bounce from whell sloped armor,and second,he was expencive and complicated to made (what was not case on ZIS-3)

 

goddamit 6pdr's were light were manouverable otherwise paras would not have used them

 

I've seen a model-kit of a "tank-destroyer' version of the T-34 sporting a 57mm long-barreled AT cannon.
I'd never seen such a thing previously. No idea as to whether it was a production-variant or experimentation only.

Tim

 

Um - a 6pdr towed AT gun weighs 2,520 lb, and can be quite easily manhandled into position (though medium to long range transport requires a towing vehicle or animal)

A tank tends to be around 30 tons...

 

the 88 was good but it had a lot of dissadvantages which people forget.

mainly it was never designed as an AT gun. It's profile was way too high, it was very big and bulky to manouver and I have never seen one with a gun shield which presumably made it vulnrable to small arms counter fire.

I prefer the 17 lb AT gun which is at least as good as the 88, but again the later 6 lb'rs had a good penetration and were far more easy for infantry to hustle in a hurry

FNG

 

Hope this is of use

http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?opt ... &Itemid=43

 

Later versions (L/71) were designed as AT guns, with low(er) profiles.



And a gun shield was common for the earlier versions

 

well you live and learn, that's what I like about this place!

When was that lower profile version brought into service?

FNG

 

Thanks Redcoat.
That's the rascal all-right.

FNG is correct.
Rare is the day I don't learn SOMETHING new here!

Tim

 

How about the German Pak40 (was that even an AT gun?)

What did it fire?

 

if you ask me they should have made the panther's gun into a AT gun, it had better penitration than the tiger I's gun

 

IIRC the Panther used an 88.

 

No. 75mm L/70.

 

Yes, but a towed AT gun is not something which is ever 'maneuvred'... It is strictly a defensive weapon... Even when using towed AT guns in the offensive (i.e. an air-dropped 6-pounder) it is only there to support the infantry in the event of an unwanted tank... never to spearhead the assault... A towed AT is never involved in the taking of ground

 

I think we are at cross-purposes, or I'm an argument behind you, or something.

I was taking 'manouverable' as 'ease of manhandling', as the original comment was comparing the 'manouverability' of 2 different AT guns.

And obviously, you are using 'manouverability' in a much more correct way, and pointing out that tanks are far more manouverable than a towed gun. Which is impossible to argue against.