Canada's Contribution

Mutant Poodle & canambridge

It is actually quite a commonly accepted amoung Canadians that Canada was born on Vimy Ridge. Its thought that this massive victory won Canada its place on the international stage and out from under mother Englands wing.


Mutant Poodle

I had never herd of that American report on Dieppe. There were a handfull of American Rangers that went ashore though.

 

Fully agree! In trying to answer the easier and more direct question as to when Canada became an independant poitical entity, I left out when an independant Canadian identiy emerged.

 

The sad part now canambridge is that we seem to be ripping the country apart from within...

For a nation that was listed by the UN as the number 1 nation in the world many times and in the top 3 many more time we as a country have some very deep seeded identity issues.

It brings tears to my eyes to admit that within the next 12-24 months Canada has a very good chance of disolving. :cry:

In the words of Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along"

 

Yes, the next PQ election victory (it's almost a certainty) has a very good chance of becoming a Quebec unilateral declaration of independance, despite PQ assuarnces to the contrary. And to me that means the end of Canada.

 

Do you think Canada will force Quebec to stay in like the US did the Confederacy in the ACW? Will Quebec be willing to fight for independence?

I personally, and it's not any of my business , think if they want out, Canada should let them go. But, if they go, they go all the way. Not just partially or with props and aid and stuff.

 

The Rest of Canada (ROC) will not make Quebec remain in the Confederation, popular opinion in many places is "get rid of them". I don't think there would ever be a Canadian Civil War. Conversly, Only a very small number of PQ supporters would actually fight (physically) for Quebec independence. The only conditions under which the PQ could win a seperation referendum would have to include some sort of association with the ROC, which would still be politically useful to the PQ, since any failures of seperation could continue to be blamed on the ROC instead.

 

I think we should learn from the Brits and try to make Quebec our version of Scotland.

Any thoughts ?

JCalhoun: No I dont think Qubecers would be willing to take up arms. Their separatio is more like a teenager who thinks they know it all and can live on their own... They are not violent they just complain allot

 

I guess you guys were wondering when I'd jump into this , me being the most "vocal" canadian on this forum, when it comes to Canada and its affairs.

Canada also made large contributions in the italinan campaign, and the liberation of the netherlands.

Heres a good link on the italian campaign http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-71-1471/co ... _campaign/ , and it's quite possible if you browse the site a bit , you may find canadian contributions in other theatres of WW2.

 

Remember this as well: Canada's population was approximately 17 million people, of all ages. Not bad for such a large country with so little population.

 

I have asked some PQ seperatists one question: "How has Canada, as a nation, failed you more than anyone else? You have province wide language police, the federal government positions requires both French and English to be communicated even outside of Quebec. The armed forces officers that cannot communicate in French cannot achieve a rank higher than LT Colonel. Laslty, French Canadians get federal jobs just like the rest of us. They just look at me and blink, their mouths all seem to act like a fish out of the water, and quietly walk away?

I used to think that if Quebec attempts to break away from Canada it will be over my dead body, how can you tell I am as patriotic as anyone else is of their country, but now that I have researched how much is given to that province by the federal government; in both concessions and finance while the MP's there just turn around and use the mentioned to help their cause to leave confederation I cannot defend my intitial thought of fighting to keep them in Canada.

Post Script: If Canada, as a nation, is divisable then so is Quebec, and that really pisses the seperatists off to the extreme.

The Mutant Poodle

 

As an outsider,i don't know what really went on in Canada.But as a person who loves his country,i am sad to hear that as a nation,there is separatist elements.To me,it is a national tragedyBeing in a nation that separated from it's mainland country due to unfair treatments,even i cannot understand the motives for separating since what Poodle said isn't considered unfair.

 

I am not really familiar with the problem either, but what I certainly know is that such separatism cannot be explained by rational motives.
It's a lot about emotions in it.
For sure french-canadians enjoy all cultural rights and can run their province like they want, but that is not the point.
Being a minority in a country often creates some special minority mentality, a sort of perpetual feeling of being threatened by the majority.
And there always will be people that think it's best to decide about one's destiny alone.

This is not just Canada, in Europe there are several examples of this.
For example, in Spain the region of Cataluna gets more and more on a separatist way.Actually the spanish state grants them more and more rights(political and cultural)but they will keep asking for more.Similar for the basques.
Another example is the flemish community in Belgium(altough they are not a minority, as they form the majority of Belgians).There are strong separatist forces there too.
There are several other examples.

On the other hand there are countries that consist of different ethnicities and confessions, but there is no separatism at all, best example of this would be Switzerland.
Any swiss wether he speaks german, french, italian or romanch will tell you that he is swiss and nothing else.

If a majority of french canadians would one day decide to leave Canada, that would mean that they do not consider Canada as being "their" nation.
The good question would be WHY do many of french-canadians not consider Canada as being their nation....

 

The old UK is chock full of party that want independence for their bit. The Welsh and the Scots both have independence parties. I think there is even some oddball group wanting independence for Cornwall.

Northern ireland is a seperate matter. The Southern Irish are happy to espire to a united Ireland but if we actually tried to give them the North I think the response would be.
"Oh no you don't, you kept the b:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry: ds in 1922, we ain't taking them now!"

:-?

 

Or any Singaporean for that matter

 

Well, sice you brought up the fact that American companies in Canada: GM, etc built or produced much of Canada's "Arsenal of Democracy", may I add long before the USA entered the war; therefore, I wish to remind you that American companies in Germany produced vehicles for the Nazis as well; but then if you are aware of the fact that the Nazi's took them over and used German labour doesn't mean that America should be credited for the German war effort now does it?

With this said please do not confuse this fact with the act of Congress that passed the "Trading With The Enemy" law that put an end to American firms doing business with Germany in 1942, there-abouts. No I am not making this up, it took the threat of being labled a Traitor to stop these powerful families and businesses to abait.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Polit ... lings.html

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm

http://www.bartcop.com/421102.htm

So You Think You Own the Patent Do You?

http://www.haworthpress.com/store/Artic ... 6&ID=35095

http://www.archives.gov/research/guide- ... s/131.html

The Mutant Poodle

 

mutant poodle wrote:

I think they built them for the Germans not the Nazi's. Do we label all Germans as Nazi's?

Inasmuch as the US wasn't at war with Canada AFAIK they continued to be US owned and operated companies utilizing Canadian labor. Is labor the only part of production that counts? What about capital? Management? Engineering and research and development?

The first few sources you cited were nothing but conspiracy theories rehashed with few or no sources cited so I bailed on reading the rest.
Life is short.

As to the first few that I did read:
The charge made about Bush managing a slave labor at Auschwitz is enough to dash any possible credibility the authors might have hoped for.
The Silesian-American Corporation (SAC) did have a steel plant in the same district that Auschwitz was in however that is where the truth ends and the unsubstantiated nonsense begins. The plants were taken over by the German government in 1939 after Poland was invaded. Auschwitz wasn't even established until 1940. That little detail isn't mentioned.

 

You missed the point, the point being that in the land of the free, there were and still are firms that care nothing of national interests, but just money. It happened in Canada too. More to come. Bye.

 

To all Canuckle Heads in this forum, let s build this area up so that our fellow memebers may learn from the facts, not imagined history in regards to WW II.

Subject headings: Infantry, Amour, Air Force, and Navy. We can do this by theatre, and from the begining of the war to the end of WW II. We can later delve into the modern times with any surviving units etc.

Cheers!

 

Hey MP, it seems from the contents of this topic that our members are not ignorant of the Canadian contribution to World War II, so there's no need to act as if us poor souls need to be educated...

That aside, I am of course interested in such information, especially concerning the actions of 1st Canadian Army.

 

Quick fact: Immedialtely after WW2 , canada had the worlds third largest navy , and fourth largest air force.