why is the red star still politicaly correct?

When you make statements about the opinions of most of the South Americans where do you get that information? How can you speak for millions of diverse people? I can imagine the uproar on these forums if someone made assumptions about the opinions of "European people".

 

academics and media elite in the west have always been at least sympathetic towards communism .... in the 30s the excesses of stalinism were not publicly known ,
capitalism had just collapsed and mao and pol had not yet begun to kill...when the red army took the brunt of the german war in 41 ,this helped to mitigate stalinisms crimes in them eyes of many, ..also the commies were not ethnic cleansers like the nazis ...the communists are always equal oppurtunity mass killers ....race and creed not counting for much...but for sheer numbers ,the commies beat the nazis hands down....

 

Unless you were Chechen, or Ukrainian or Kossak or Kulak...

 

good point simon ,, i guess stalin did do a little ethnic cleansing of his own ,i wonder if mao did any?

 

I don't think so.

 

This is from Wikipedia but at least it lists references at the end of the article.

Maybe not "ethnic cleansing" strictly speaking but not much different either.

 

Have there been any Communist regimes that have been benevolent and good to the people at all?

 

Yep,Ex Yugoslavia.There was no more prosper country in region,including italy there,maybe Greece was good in that.

 

I agree. Things started to go downhill after the old man kicked the bucket in 1980 (not that i'm fan of Tito or something).

 

Yugoslavia was not purely Communist (I would rather say strongly socialist), as it was open to Western investment. "Things going a bit downhill" is an understatement for the economic collapse of the 80s. And then there were those cozy little wars in the 90s. But there we go, one sorta-kinda communist country that did not go completely to the dogs.

 

Panzerman. We were thoroughly communist country. You know one party one leader, big security apparatus, politicaly indoctrinated army, occasional purges of the party, political prisoners...

The thing is that after fall out with Stalin we were helped by western block (US) simply becouse NATO did not particularly liked the idea of Soviet navy in Yugoslav ports or Soviet AF and border of Italian airspace (which would happen if we were overrun by Soviets). Tito took help for one simple reason as no other were able to help him. After that we played both sides (getting money from both to remain more or less neutral). In late 1960's we opened up a bit as turism brought hard cash (communist or not, business is business ), but we were still under close eye. For example my mother had to go to the police to collect the letters that were written to her by my father who was officer in the merchant navy. As he observed in 1960's and 1970's we were pretty well off (comparing to Italy, Greece, Portugal, Spain and especcialy eastern block).

Oil crisis in late 1970's only speeded up crisis in economy. Ecomicaly we were almost destroyed by economic experiments and crisis in leadership. This led to some nationalism (why does my republic has to pay for those republics who don't work). Things could be corrected by reform, but when those came (Marković reform in 1990) it was already too late. Basicly up to 1990 nobody even considered breaking from YU. With break up of the country old nationalisms erupted (basicly it was continuation of ww2).

 

I can understand your nostalgia.
Sounds like a real paradise

 

No nostalgia from me. That's the facts.

I'd say that comparing to some countries it was and as far as Slovenia goes still is.

 

TISO did u look "Lepa sela lepo gore"? (pretty vilages burn pretty)

The most undevelop region in Yugoslavia was Macedonia,Kosovo and Bosnia.On last economic plan cause was to develop that regions ( u cant imagine how much money gone in that regions)

 

Yes i know. Do you remember FENI (tvornica Ferro Nickle u Makedoniji). Building a factory in the middle of nowhere (Kavadarci) 25km from nearest mine that was later deamed as unusable as % of iron ore was too small. Factory still works and produces between 5,000-7,000 tons of Ferro-Nickel annually. Idiots. And it was not the only case of such idioticy.

Acctualy Bosna i Hercegovina was relativley well developed compring to Kosovo, Crna gora and Makedonija.

 

Actualy i think that Crna gora had decent economy,comparint to size...One off biggest ports (luka bar) Aluminium-boxit,and some otther mines,and heawy metal complexes.It has only 800k population....+Tourism (mountans and sea)