post subject you know my opinion of the SS., but have you seen this? http://www.local6.com/news/9901978/deta ... n&psp=news
I wasn't trying to, Che. I was merely sharing some information I learned about the existence of an anti-partisan unit the SS worked with. I wasn't trying to make a point. Thanks for the warm welcome though. http://www.kampfgruppe.us/index.php
The Waffen SS weared Feldgray uniforms like the Wehrmacht. They dressed cool during combat. No other countries army uniforms were cool than the Waffen SS and Wehrmacht. I support them too. Even if they were bad. They were superior on everything of armed combats. The SS leibstandarte Adolf Hitler is the most famous division.
Sorry to sound like a drip, but there are much more worthwhile ways to value a military force than by their uniforms. Dressing 'cool' in combat doesn't mean a damned thing. Look at all the partisan and irregular force victories throughout history. The superiority of the Waffen-SS is arguable at best. Study them all across the spectrum, between '33 and '45. Make sure you look at all of the W-SS units. Do you really think that the 34th SS was better than the British Paras? Or the US Marines? Of course the LAH is the most famous. Because of their namesake, they had better propagandists. That doesn't mean that they didn't have good soldiers, or that they didn't fight well. When you carry the boss' name, you get better press.
lets face it.. the german army had the best looking uniforms...and the waffen ss looked positivly ominous...who designed that stuff , do we know?
No, they didn't. The US Marine Dress Blue uniform is much better looking! The SS didn't look all that much more ominous than the standard issue Heer Soldaten, either.
I know, I'm not that dumb. I've looked at all the divisions. I don't care how many allied and partisan victories there were. But there are some allied guns I like. I also like the French Army of WWII. They weren't that bad.
I reckon that only Heer and W-SS had the best helmets. American helmets during WWII looked crappy. But the French is nice.
post subject 'Nice'? 'Cool'? I think I'm missing something here, German uniforms towards end of WW2 were rubbish, cloth no good, appeals for warm clothing for Russia, ladies fur coats appeal, all those pretty badges of crappy alloy crumbling away, you don't fight better if you have a 'cool' uniform, for top line quality the American uniforms took some beating, both combat and walking out. If I had a choice of Yankee para boots and Jerry jack boots the Yanks would win every time. A cold hard jackboot was not much good in Russia, might have looked good for a SS propaganda parade but not at Stalingrad. Nice, Cool, Favourite..... words fail me! :cry:
IMHO ability to prevent head wounds might be a more useful criteria for effectiveness. Has anyone done such a comparison?
I have to say I agree with majorwoody10 in that I do prefer the look of german uniforms and material. I especially love their camoflague patterns which seem to be inventive and detailed. The brits just look brown and yanks just look green. Of course most of this is gleamed from books, models and films and one wonders how much of these great uniforms and vehicle paintwork actually made it into the field and how much survived a campaign or even first contact with the enemy. There is in addition no statement as to how much use this stuff was and whether any of it was fit for purpose, but you must agree it looks great in paintings. FNG
If in doubt, paint it olive-drab. That was a color that worked in the widest variety of surroundings. Armor, aircraft, uniforms, helmets, etc. Tough to beat that old WWII brown-camo too. I've got a bunch of it for waterfowling gear. That pattern is now discontinued, but it works as good today as it did back then. It's now a collectors' item. Tim
Merlin: Shes' OK with whatever the 'Ol Man is wearin'... just as long as I don't forget the cheese & crackers... or her. Of course thats unlikely, as she's underfoot making sure I'm stumbling over her at every-turn. On uniforms. To a marine charging-off a pacific beachead, or an allied soldier at Normandy, camo didn't mean much. The enemy knew where they were. Same with Russian troops advancing into enemy fire, or the German counter-attacks that followed. If a unit is defending... dug-in and not wanting to be seen, it's just as important--as in hunting ducks for instance--NOT TO MOVE and give away your position. Japanese and Germans were agreeably masterful in the use of camoflage in defensive roles. I don't expect the average soldier of any nation cared much what his uniform looked like as long as it was well-made, functional and kept him warm when it was cold. Utility was most important... and I always thought the Airborne troops had the most practically designed gear amongst foot-sloggers. Khaki or olive-drab. Can't go wrong. Now TANKERS? Well, now thats a different topic entirely, eh Merlin? Tim
