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Discussion in 'Non-World War 2 History' started by majorwoody10, Jun 30, 2006.

  1. majorwoody10

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    in the pc game half life one encounters fixed m60 mg,s with a electric eyes that open fire when u violate their space....why dont we have one on tracks or spider legs that hunts mujahadin day and nite ...nere gets tired dos,nt eat or drink..dont get homesick or get gulf war syndrome...u know we have the tech know how right now....leftys will snivel on ethical grounds(like when we trained dolphins to kill enemy frogmen)....we have rc drones now that drop smart bombs surely we can make a ai hunter killer m60 grenade launcher,panzerfoust,claymore ,mine layer?...i know its kinda scarie..but we better not get caught napping on this r and d work...imagine the rc bomb disposal robot but instead of a mechinical arm it carries a .30 mg...whats the hold up here?
     
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    In another thread I mentioned PROWLER (Programmable Robot Observer With Logical Enemy Response). That's from maybe 10 or more years ago..
    But try these for hold ups:

    the Wheelbarrow (UK bomb disposal robot) is supplied its power by electrical flex - how long can we make it? :D
    Giving something sufficient on-board power and fuel will make it large and therefore expensive
    An AI for navigation (let alone actual hunting) is only just possible (US competitions for a computer-navigated vehicle, no human input, achieved ZERO success over (IIRC) a fifty-mile course at the first attempt, two vehicles out of the starters, again from meory, finished the last trials less than a year ago)
    Can you GUARANTEE that the AI will only target bad guys? (Bearing in mind that it been proven mathematically that a computer programme of any useful length is physically impossible to create without errors)
    Can you guarantee that the vehicle will be capable of choosing the best route, and clear unexpected obstacles?
    How much intelligence will it have for spotting booby-traps, mines, covered pits?
    How much ammo will you put on it? Enough for a mission = large and expensive vehicle, enough for an engagement = numerous helicopter resupply fights.
    How much armour is it going to carry to stop snipers taking it apart piece by piece?
    The lightest, most flexible computer available is still the one inside a human's head.
     
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    Programmed to shoot everyone in a turban wandering around afganistan? Could get messy!

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    Programme it to ask "Are you an anti-US terrorist?" and only shoot those who say "Yes". At least we'd get the dumb ones. :D
     
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    Not to mention the cost of such a venture! Hate to say it but soldiers are much cheaper... Still, it would be kinda cool
     
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    Mind you in a stand up fight something like the self firing machine guns out of the film Aliens could have their uses.
     
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    actually ..it need not be a machine gun...a computer could be fixed so that it wouldnt waste any shots it could be a regular semi auto rifle infa red ...thermal image ,whatever...no flinch ,no fear ,able to compensate for windage and elevation ...it could carrie 100 rounds and hit with 89 of them...solar collecter...lays down by day ...gets up to hunt at night...gilly suite covered ..need expose only the rifle ...its a scarie thought...but im afraid its the future...also it neednt move very far ..i..a few of these robot snipers could controll several square miles of terrain by picking and controlling several feilds of fire...a few dozen could have made the ho chi min trail unusable....a gps ,a rifle,a set of tracks
    or legs, a computer...a solar pac, a camera....the stuff is all available now...it just debugging...u watch and see...
     
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    AI systems are still in thier infancy. While we do have to potential to build one, it would take thousands if not million or billion of dollars and year to fully develop it. Heck even in 2 thousand something or other (Halo) they still had trouble with AI's....not good if they're literally flying the ship for you. There's also the (extreamely rare) possibility for a "STEALTH" or "SHORTCIRCUIT" scenario. AI developes the gift of common sense and emotions....a sense of 'living' if you will. I'll shut up now before I make someone mad.
     
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    One big problem with these systems is target recognition. If they simply go off for movement*, that could easily translate into big civilian casualties, or an ammunition-wasting massacre of the local wildlife. Obviously, this would be less of a problem in an actual battle environment, but still a consideration.

    *Plus you would need to add some kind of other sensor beyond movement (maybe set for body heat or something) otherwise whenever the wind blows the trees get shot ;)


    The biggest problem for me with the guns in Alien was that they fired an 'S'-shaped pattern of 25 (IIRC) bullets at each target they aquired (they were programmed to fire at Aliens), which is good in as far as it will definately kill the target, but bad in as far as it runs through your ammo very fast. 100 rounds to kill 4 Aliens.
     
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    Well the Aliens were pretty tough. I certainly wouldnt have felt safe near an Alien with anything less than 25 bullets in it. :D

    If battle robots were to be implemented, they could be controlled by people via a radio signal... this would make target aquisition more accurate, but might make them vulnerable to radio jamming devices
     
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    a rifle and a a grenade launcher...for a platoon size ambush..forget the mg ...too much ammo,it would be nice if it could differentiate between a collumn of men and a herd of goats followed by a boy...of course land mines cant tell the difference and are still killing civillians all over asia and africa...also the bot would have a self destruct charge in case of breakdown or capture...millions or billions to develope?...still cheap in the long run....right now a f16 joystick has somthing like 52 buttons for a pilot to memorize.....why 52 ?cause thats about as many as a human brain can deal with...next generation fighter planes are capable of pulling g loads that would kill the pilot...the hand writeing is clearly on the wall the pilots got to go....
     
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    I just remebered a scene out of a war book I read. The SAS has invaded and airfield (Barce) and the Germans put a blockade around the planes. Trip wires connected to a MG. The commandgin officer has the crap scared out of him when he trigger it (they adjusted the line of fire...made the book run way longer) Yeah I know, not exactly a robot, but cost practically nothing (a bullet cost what, 50 cents each? string costs 10 cents a foot...someone else do the math I suck at it) Leaving now
     
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    Came across a piece of science fiction concerning a Chinese invasion of Australia :-? The Australians adapted small poison dart firing robots designed for pest control for Chinese control. Unfortunately after the war a lot of these robots didn't obey the shut down command and the Australians were left with the problem of dealing with what were in effect small wandering minefields.
     
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    I just remebered something. Some company in the States (I think...if I knew where the artivcle was I'd go check) has actually developed a security 'droid' for use in office buildings. It asks for a code before firing a tranquliser dart from is six barrel cannon into the intruder. Perhaps not the best weapon against people who blow themselves up to make a political statment...but the software could prove itself very effective in a different body. A shorter one.
     
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    droids would no doubt shoot us. troops and civillians by accident ....of course we do that right now with human troops....in time droids will make fewer mistakes than scared ,hungry ,bone tired troops,.
     

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