Submerines

Can somebody enlighten me upon the who has the most superior submarines in the world? I am aware that America has more Submarines than Russia, but they seem alot smaller, less 'nuclear-powered', and less prone to horriffic explosions...
I know absolutely nothing about anything Navy-related, so please try not to use big words
you may have assumed this when i spelled 'submarines' wrong on the topic title

 

AFAIK the USN has no conventional powered submarines (apart from one on loan from Sweden). US subs are said to have the best sonar, making them most effective at tracking other subs and targets.

The Russian Kilo class is supposed to be one of the quietest subs around (quiet is good).

A lot of information is still highly classified so speeds, depth limits and sonar is mainly off limits

Tom

 

There are numerous factors and variables which determine what is a good sub and invariably a combination is needed to get an overall good design, much like a tank.

The various aspects are
Sonar Suite - the eyes and ears of a sub - here the US lead given their better technology and computers
Hull and Engine - The chasis it all go's in. The Russians Alfa class sub is the deepest diving and fastest sub, I believe. And in that it could out run and out dive a search.
Engine - Nuclear/Diesal Electric. D/E are the quietest subs going and nuclear are actually quite noisy by comparison. Russian nuclears are more noisy than US ones. D/E also have limtied range and speed but are very good for coastal defence and are cheap to opperate. The Kilo class is D/E
Weapons Suite - I always prefered the Russian stuff in that they seem to have anti sub missles which the US/UK lacked. But the torps themselves are fairly similar being wire guided and HUGE.

FNG

 

Well, the US have the Ohios, and the Russians have the Typhoons. The latter are the largest, but they are ballistic missile subs. America has the Seawolf hunter-killers, and they can probably destroy a Typhoon if they found one.

 

remember sub warfare is not about armour, speed or accuary.

It's about stealth and detection.

Most modern torps would kill a sub in a single hit, especially at depth.

Are the Seawolfs in service yet? How many are there compared to the LA Class?

ballistic missile subs, also called Boomers, carry missles and are designed to hide and only fight if cornered.

FNG

 

I recall reading a report on the unrealiability of Russian submarine missiles... That while not striclty inferior in performance, they tend to explode when stored improperly which they almost always are... Wasn't that the reason for the Kursk disaster?

 

I believe it was a torp and not a missle and that it exploded within the sub due to a leak of it's fuel. Russian torps use Hydrogen Peroxide which can be quite deadly if left to it's own devices.

Most countries have problems in that munitions are left in storage for what could be decades.

FNG

 

Only 3 Typhoons were built and last I heard they wern't in service. An SSBN (Ballistic Missile Sub) would have practically no defence against attack subs. By the same token the only defence any sub has is how quiet it is. Also Typhoons have titanium double hulls. They wouldn't show up on a MAD (Magnetic Anomaly Detector) scan and a even direct hit probably wouldn't sink one.

Kursk sunk cause they dropped a missile when they were loading it. Cracked the tank of Hydorgen Peroxide and started the fire which led to the explosion. That's the most recent theory anyways.

 

only three, i thought that the Russians had 6 Typfoons

 

maybe it is 6. i don't really remember. either way it's far less then the American SSBNs.

 

About the Typhoon:

from
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/typhoon/

 

There are lot of theories about that one...like testing of a new Shkval torpedo went wrong

 

i guess that we will never know what happend in that sub.
Joop, thanks for the site. i love to read it
back to the Typhoon. i wonder how she stears. i bet that she turns very slow, mayby to slow to evade a torpedo launch at a close range.

 

according to that same site it has thrusters in the bow and stern so i guess it's even quite maneuverable for such a beast (and at 25kts not really slow either)!

BTW are there pics/info of the Akula class replacement (Borei class)?

 

did a quick search with google. a lot of text and info but no pics. however, none of the are already launched and the first one to be commisioned will be in 2007, the second one is expected in 2008.
maby that some of our russian members can acces that information faster then we can (i can't read russian so i can't search on Russian sites )

 

http://www.denizaltici.com/aboutus-subm ... c2-NUK.htm



SSBN Project 955 Yuri Dolgoruky-Borei class inşa halinde.



Typhoon sınıfını yarı deplasmanında olmasına rağmen 20 SLBM taşıyabilmektedir.IV.Nesil SSBN olan Yuri Dolgoruky Sevmash State Nuclear Ship-Building Centre Severodvinsk’de 2 Kasım1996 günü kızağa konmuştur. D-19UTH SLBM Fırlatma sistemi Borei sınıfı denizaltı için dizayn edilmiş olup RSM-52 SLBM’lerinin D-9 fırlatma sisteminin yerini alacaktır.Bu sistem katı yakıtlı güvenilir uzun menzilli yeni tasarım SLBM’leri fırlatacaktır.









Deplasman: 11,750-12,250 ton Satıh,16,750-24,000 ton dalmış

Maximum dalış: Maximum harekat umku 380m.?
Sürat:15 knots satıh,29 knots dalmış
Boyutlar: 170 m. x 13,5 m. x 9 m.,(low magnetik çelik)
Güç Sistemi:2 OK-650B reactor, 2 şaft 98,000 shp

Personel:107
Harekat devamlılığı:100 gün
Silah yükü: 20 SS-N-30 Bulava,8 25.6 inch torpedo kovanı,(24 torpedo,mayın veya füze)
RPK-7/SS-N-16 Veter/Stallion ASROC VA-111 Schval roket torpedo,SAET-60M,Type 65-76,Type 65K torpedo


Don't have a clue but it's a smaller sub!

 

It's still a boomer, the Alfa is an attack sub where all the fun is

FNG

 

I dunno...Boomer is more for the Mass Destruction kind of people i guess :evil:

Attack Subs (Diesel Electric...nice, small and quiet) are more fun...that is for sure :kill:

 

this one seems to be more inspired on the american Ohio-class (also a boomer). the conning tower stands more to the front. the typhoon has it tower at the back and it's missles in front.

 

I responce to the Akula(Borei) Class sub stuff before I searched google for images (no pictures was mentioned)

Akula pic (model)
http://www.thuntek.net/pcmodels/images/DumasAkulaClassSubmarine.jpg

Borei Class (I think it’s actually the same one)
http://www.denizaltici.com/images/DH-2.NUK.RUS.955 Borei clas.JPG

Not being smart-aleck