My Lai massacre

I c,here is anotther word for those guys "rezervisti" (reserves) but they was not much engaged on Kosovo,they was most on Serbia main land and as support and AA staff.They did not mobilise infantry in that thime.Regular army,Special forces,and police forces was engaged on kosovo.

 

whatever they were the ongoing endless mai lais perpetrated a thousand fold by serbian forces on muslim civillians ,with wholesale mass rape a la east prussia 1945 thrown in .... was enough finally to galvanize the west into action ..concentration camp scarcrows ,bosnian men hanging on barbed wire a la treblinka on the cover of time magazine finally did the trick as i recall ...looking back on it now ,its ironic to think the serbian final solution may be in store for all of islam ,plainly our current roe actions in iraq are haveing no effect ...all it will take is one good real wmd attack in a major western city and it will be up to god to sort out good muslims from bad ones ...either that or they had best start sorting themselves out now....roll tape from final scenes of dr stangelove...

 

I find it amusing the way sinissa "worries" about My Lai, and pursues the issue with typical lefty tenacity to the point that it seems Americans are denying some sort of Holocaust. Yet, we can see that none of the Americans on this forum have tried to deny anything. Some have presented mitigating circumstances. Nobody has denied it. Everyone agrees it was wrong.

And now, sinissa is trivializing an actual, well-documented attempted holocaust comitted by his own nation. Furthermore, he tries to make the war look like an American led conspiracy to take over Serbias undoubtedly impressive steel industry, which I am sure is the envy of the universe. :roll:

After reading several of his posts, I have noticed that sinissa does not care at all about facts. How could this be? He is obviously an intelligent guy. What causes him to disregard documented facts, twist and abuse sources, and bring in irrelevant material all the time when debating anything that has the adjective "American" in it?

My theory is that he is bitter about "America" (NATO, in actual fact, but then facts dont matter in his case) bombed his country in 1999. That's too bad. This bitterness seems to cloud his judgement to the point were rational debate becomes pointless.

All of us can be wrong, for a number of reasons. The purpose of this forum is to dispell ignorance, to share knowledge, and to objectively debate topics for the benefit of all. With the proper attitude, this forum can offer a lot of education and insight.

This brings me to my final point. Fellow forum members, I urge you to ignore his obvious trolling bait. sinissa is not here to debate, he is here to broadcast his opinion as the only correct one and spread his obvious dislike of the west in general and US in particular. It is clearly pointless to discuss anything, as he will never admit he is wrong. Not so much "I concede some of your points, but I still think I have a stronger case" but "the Serbian water-polo champion saints, armed with their absolutely superior AK47, were stopped from creating utopia on earth because of the great satan also known as the United States took over her steel industry. Oh and the united states need gun control."

 

i have enjoyed several debates with sinessa ,i enjoy his rather broken english , which is greatly superiour to my broken serbian ...he is as you say intelligent and well read ..but i know he is not going to sit here and pretend that serbian outrages against bosnian muslims is not what finally after years of inaction brought nato bombers into serbian air space ...i mean ,this nato action was years in the makeing and is well documented and easily researched by anyone with a keyboard....the word ETHNIC CLEANSING iirc was invented by the serbians ...certainly it was the first time i ever saw it in print ...unless serbia mabey has some state run computer filter like the chinese that excludes any certain words or phrases from google and yahoo ect......this could explain his seemingly rather xenaphobic and obtuse world view ...in fact ..NOW THAT I THINK OF IT ,virtually every serbian ive encountered so far on the net anywhere , seems to have a greatly revised history of events from the milosovitch period .( much like debate with arabs , when discussing so called israelie attrocitys against muslim women and children )..perhaps its taught in their public schools ...but of course any reasonable and honest person can revise their opinion in the face of overwhelming evidence right?...lord knows , ive had to learn some corrections from my eu and balkan friends ,right here...incorrect notions that ive held dear for 30 years or more ...even though im an old fart , i still am not so dense or senile as to cling to knowlege ,historic or otherwise that is plainly by sheer weight of evidence , incorrect...ive heard that even grieg was once caused to change his mind in some discussion right here in this very forum once.......mind you ......i said ive HEARD that this was true...

 

Hey! Sinissa ain't a bad guy! He's just patriotic...

He has a right to his opinion just like the rest of us... True we may not all agree with it, but don't you think that when discussing Kosovo, it might be a good idea to consider what an ACTUAL SERBIAN thinks? Sinissa is the only member who reflects the Serbian perspective... Sometimes I'd like to have an Iraqi member posting in some of our discussions, just to give em a bit more perspective

The sad truth is that none of us can have a purely objective discussion, not only do we not have access to the objective fact, but it would be boring as hell... You should learn the value in subjective intepretation, because it is everywhere...

At least he has the decency to make posts on the issue at hand, and not theorise about the people posting them, which is generally irrelevant to the discussion

Like you said Panzerman, we must ignore the posts which come across as trolling... such as yours

 

I do not think that anyone here in this forum has the right or authourity to call anyone to ignore anybody because he thinks that the person isn't objective enough.

The turth is,alot of us here is tainted by nationalistic views.And somehow,sometimes,those views have truth in it.Perhaps there is overwhelming evidence aginst a particular case...but that isn't reason to call the other side a bluff.

And i agree with Smeghead,everyone should be entitled to their views here without fear of another forum member trying to tell others not to engaged in discussion witrh him.It's like telling the rest of the world,"hey let's forget about talking with Iran because they are obviously wrong and may not listen to us".

And i think that people shouldn't be talking about another person's broken english just because they don't speak like native speakers or has the chance for an english education .
Punctuation is important

 

actually im impressed with guys who obviously have english as a second language and yet are willing to come in here and debate at what really is a handicap of sorts ,tiso ,jeag , kaiser ,che and especially sinnessa because his english is not strong yet he is happy to wade right in ...i have a few years of hs spanish but i would never consider trying to debate in a spanish speaking forum ..i need all my wits just to debate in english...and i would never be so silly as to call myself unbiased ...but i do try to keep an open mind and have in fact been taken to school right here in this very forum
i wll change my view on something if led down a path of logic and enough decent evidence ...i too am patriotic but it does not impair my ability to be objective in the face of reality ...if you scroll up on this same thread you will see how i reacted to the photos in life magazine when i was a 15 year old army brat ...i felt PERSONALLY betrayed by MY army ...gi joe , the good guys ,hershey bars ,camel cigarettes ,nylon stockings ...american soldiers dont murder woman and children on purpose ...that baby killer slur is bullshit...and then THERE IT WAS ...BIG AS LIFE ... i had to accept it ...it was not the national enquirer ...it was life magazine ...
now what panzerman is pointing out above is that sinessa seems covinced (READ IT ABOVE IN THIS THREAD YOURSELF) that there never were any serbian war crimes ...that nato , apparently conspired to attack an innocent serbian state that was merely minding its own housekeeping ..........smeg ,thats not patriotism , its simple self delusion and you of all people know it...some people here in america denie that there was ever a holocaust ..i run accross lots of what seem to be perfectly rational guys who think the apollo moon landings were all a big nasa hoax filmed at a sound stage ..or that the cia started the crack cocaine epidemic in black american gehttos ,,, gw bush himself blew up the wto on 911...of course all these people are plainly not playing with a full deck , the more you surf the chat rooms the more you see a world chuck fulla idiots ...and there is imo little reason to waste much more of my time chatting with them , unless of course they happen to be really attractive women , then , who cares what they happin to think ...whats important is that their talking to me...

 

Comenting on individual people as opposed to arguments is not a good thing. :angry:

 

im sorry if i hurt anyones feelings ...really ,sorry ...gulp...(you gtta know that when ricky posts a flameing red hot face ....your in some deep kimshee !!! ) also ...what i said about grieg ...its not true , i made it up ...sorry grieg......and tiso ....i did a little balkan sniffing and found titos mass graves of 1944 ...almost all of them hungarians ...that was some real nastiness in a land full of nasty.....yipes

 

... to the point where he becomes completely irrational and is impossible to debate with.

Sure. When I was living in the Netherlands, we had a Serbian housemaid and several Serbian friends, some of whom have visited us later in Norway. They were good, hard-working people to make Serbia proud. Our maid was doing an engineering degree. One of my mothers friends was a translator at the Hague. It is not the fact that sinissa is Serbian that is the problem. It is the fact that his "perspective" is a copy an paste out of any badly written denial propoganda.

I'm sure we all do.

All discussions are subjective conclusions drawn from (percieved) objective fact. It is when people ignore fact that the problems arises. Enter sinissa!

Perhaps, but not now, as the discussion is being ruined by sinissa's style of argument.

And I see you did a fine job it

 

yes ...even the most stubborn and bullheaded members like grieg and tiso can be swayed by sound , well presented and objective arguments......well , ok ......in theory ...they could perhaps be swayed......
...better?

 

Well Panzerman, what did you expect to get from being rude to sinissa?

A pat on the back? Congratulations? Wild, uncontrollable applause?

A word to the wise, making out of hand comments about others doesn't usually evoke such a reaction. Instead, most people just plain won't like you

Hopefully you've learned something today

 

Decency to not theorize about the people posting? How about name calling and abuse? Many of us hold strong opinions but it doesn't give us license to attack others and violate the TOS that we have agreed to abide by order to share this site.

 

panzerman has not accused sinessa of being a theif or liar or card cheat ...he has pointed out that he is impossible to debate in any rational way and that he trolls anti american or nato flame bait a then fills the air with smoke ...this is pretty much true imo ..but i still think the forum is a better place with guys like him to spice things up ...panzer , i think prolly in future the thing is only address sinessa rants in the presence of sinessa ...that is the real beef here im thinkin ... you must attack the subject of your post ,in his presence ...is that about right... RICKY...?

 

Yes, that is about right.

Panzerman, stop trying to deconstruct people in the public forum, it is simply not on.

Any more of the same and this topic will be locked and edited.

And yes, here is another red flamey face to show that I am annoyed and my threat is not an idle one. :angry:

 

panzer ...heads up ...two red flamey facec in one day and both from RICKY ... this cant be good news .. last time a saw double burn smiles from ricky ...the perp got beat very badly with iron bars the spent 3 weeks in the hole... im gonna lay low panzer ,suggest you do same...

 

majorwoody - you have given a perp warning to start running, which I do not appreciate. But you made me laugh, so I forgive you. Therefore I will let you off without a beating this time.

 

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As a matter of fact , I believe than the serbs got framed in the balkans unpleasantness ,
time and again I checked stories and found heavy massaging of the truth in a pro muslim / croats slant ,
the present stuff up about kosovo is pure dissinformation ,
its not nato who bombed the serbs.... it was the U.S. air force
with no nato or U.N. mandate whatsoever

western jounalists are either ignorants or prostitutes , often both !
it's eery how the same pieceout of the wire get virtually photocopied in all the major outlets with no basic checks , as long as it sing the right song !


as for mainstream media , they are concerned with toeing the line and getting advertisment money .
thoughtful pieces of informations are a fast disappearing items that one find only in the extreme end of the political spectrum were they are exiled

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Such obviously false generalizations render suspect any other point you might be trying to make. All western journalists? And why western journalists? Which non-western journalists do you consider to be more reliable or at least not ignorant prostitutes?

I think that all discourse that is based on logic and reason rather than partisan political views and emotional reactions is fast disappearing. The posts on these forums represent a good example of that. Many people don't want the truth, even where some objective truth is to be had, they just want to reinforce their already arrived at conclusions.

 

grieg ..i dont think the notion of people wanting to promote the version of the truth that supports thier agenda is a new thing in human behavior ....jeag is of course being silly when he claims all or even most western journalists are toeing some immaginary line...in fact it is only from western media that one has a hope of getting several views on the same storie...non western media where free speech is not a given are ,of course much more likely to be coerced to a party line,,,,i agree with jeag however that there seems to be ample evidence of the serbs being painted with a much darker brush than thier croat and kla enemies...ALL sides in the balkans are blood thirsty rapeist slimeballs imo ...the crimes they have committed against each others helpless civilians are the kind of acts that actually caused hardened waffen ss men to puke ...the serbs ,croats and muslims are all elbo deep in human gore ...only tisos slovenians seem relativelly clean ...the horrors perpitrated by the catholic and orthodox balkan tribes against thier ethnic rivals in the last 100 years are so hienious as to buggar the imagination...its no wonder they cant forgive each other and move foward...if there is such a thing as bad karma clinging to a landscape ,the balkans have got to be epicenter of hell on earth...