Question for ilija

Hey ilija, I'd like to know since when your country was named "Macedonia" for the 1st time,you do know i suppose...

 

1991?

Have you done your consription yet or have you missed it?

FNG

 

It was named a bit before that.Just then it was federal republic,not independent state.

 

Sinissa if we are even more specific
it was Socialist Republic (SR) Makedonia as part of Yugoslavia. Macedonia became independant federal unit as part of Yugoslavia after WW2.
I'm from former Socialist Repubic of Slovenia now just Republika Slovenija. Prewar we were Banovina Dravska. Did you have your own banovina prewar?

 

Pre WWI i was Hungarian empire ( i live in Vojvodina),so i cant count there...
I think that name was "vojna krajna" (military zone,r something like that) like in Croatia.

If we look Serbia,pre war we where Kingdom off Serbia

 

I ment pre ww2 .
Pre ww1 we were vojvodina Štajeska (duchy of Styria). More specificaly lower Styria (domicil of infanterie regimenten No. 47. and No. 87.) Fathers family was in vojvodina Kranjska (duchy of Carniola) Both of course Austro Hungarian empire. :smok:

 

And that empire got ass kicked in WWI from small Serbian army,and we done it more then once That created Kingdom of Serbs,Croats and Slovenians (Kraljevina SHS)

And that was start of this last ugly war

 

Doesn't matter.
What does matter is that we thoroughly beaten Italians (we always did that in last 200 years) on Soča.

 

:lol:

That time was werry hard and flawes for Serbian army.We beated Osmanly Empire in first Balcan war (1912),then Bulgaria in Second Balcan War (1913),and final,Austro Hungarian Empire in 194-1918 :lol:
But i must admire to brawe fights on Monteneggro army then.

 

You said Vojvodina? A fellow Imperial A-H man

 

Harking back to the Imperial glory days, eh?
Born in Brno (formerly Brünn) in Morava, Czechoslovakia (formally Mähren northern AH empire)...
It was a really good thing the Austria Hungarian Empire broke up... An empire composed of minorities who didnt get along and it showed in the fighting of the First World War, where we were "Germany junior"... Unity between minorities was only needed when we were fending off the Turks and when the Ottoman Empire went into decline, no need for the empire anymore ...

 

UF Turks. We were fighting them for entire middle age, reneissance... and saving Europe's arse all the time (Styrian heavy infantry, Auersperg's arquebusirs..) . Have you seen Styrian arsenal in Graz (Gradec) in Austria?

Smedge you forget fending off Italians.
I still see British persuading Italians to join antante as one of largest strategical blunders of ww1. Slovenes and Croats were very unentusiastical about the war with Serbia and Russia and were on the werge of mutiny (read break up from the empire). According to memoars of one Slovene soldier (2. mountain regiment) first time solders were singing when sent to the front was when they were rushed from Ljubljana to Soča front in 1915.
The one thing that could couse us to stand by emperor was Italian expansion. It was our lands they were craving. Some of that lands is still under occupation (most of that we got back after kicking them last time in ww2).

BTW with breakup of the empire we lost large parts of Slovene national teritory (most of Koroška/Carinthia, upper Štajerska/Styria). + we just replaced a foreign emperor for a foreign king.

 

Pretty much every "minority" (if you can call it that, most of Empire were minorities) in the AH Empire felt the same way about WW1... Czechs were likewise very bitter about being conscripted to fight for the Austrians and Hungarians, especially against the Russians... We felt far more Slavic than Germanic, so much so that 100,000 Czech soldiers on the eastern front defected or allowed themselves to be captured by the Russians, who organised them into the "Czech Legion"...

The Czech Legion fought against the AH Empire with the Russians, in exchange a Czech nation would be created after the war... When Russia surrendered in 1917, Trotsky betrayed the Czech Legion by executing several... Bad mistake, they joined the White Army and gave Trostky a real big headache. The shooting of the Tsar Nicholas II and the Russian Royal Family was ordered when it was because the Czech Legion were only a few days march away, and they didnt want them being liberated... The Red Army couldn't stop them, eventually fighting their way across Russia and Siberia all the way to the safe port of Vladivostok...

 

smeg..i read about the czech legion somewhere ...it seems this small unit moved about bolshavic russia at will...why was this so?

 

why this obsession with Macedonia?

 

The Czech Legion had taken control of the Trans-Siberian Railway from the Bolsheviks, and had pretty much unrestricted access to Vladivostok... Trains were the most important way of moving troops in the 1920's, and so this gave the Czechoslovaks a huge mobility advantage...

The Czech's didnt use the railway to attack the Bolsheviks (though they are known to have lent a hand to General Kolchak's White Loyalists)... They merely held the Trans Siberian Railroad long enough to evacuate themselves to Vladivostok, then held by the the Americans and Japanese... Numerous attempts were made to take the railroad, both by the Bolsheviks and by German forces still stationed in Russia under the Brest-Litovsk Treaty... The last Czechoslovak units left Siberia in 1920, by which time the Bolsheviks had defeated the White Loyalists, and the Western Allies and German remnants had left Russia...

 

Smedge did you know that we were part of Czeh kingdom until Otokar II was killed in the battle with Habsurgs. Vojvodine-duchies Kranjska-Carniola, Koroška-Carinthia, Štajerska-Styria became part of Habsburg heredetary lands only after otokar was killed.
Damn if not for that, we would still rule the Europe.

 

i'm completely lost....................can u sum it up in like a sentence...

 

Really? Was Slovenia ever part of the kingdom of Bohemia under the Przemysl?

Well you learn something new every day

Habsburgs defeated Ottokar II, yet before and after the Przemysl rulers Bohemia was a vassal of the Holy Roman Empire... I don't think any Czech lands passed into Hungary until after the Hussite Wars, even then it was only part of Morava, but most of Morava, Bohemia and some of Silesia stayed in the dominion of HRE until Napoleon dismantled them in the early 19th Century...... Big Empire

Did Styria ever come under the influence of the Venetians? IIRC they had a good slave monopoly going on in Dalmacija

 

Venetians in Styria - never. Štajerska (Styria) is not near the sea. Italians were basicly part of population in larger coastal towns only (Trst, Koper, Piran, Pula, Reka...) hinterland was always Slovene (since we kicked out the Longobards). Italian claims before ww1 and after ww2 are baseles at best.

Acctualy medival history of our lands is extremly interesting. Slovenia as a united country did not exist. Name did hovever apear in some medival texts and frescoes meaning duchies of Koroška, Kranjska and Štajerska. Since 8-th century we were under Holy roman empire (bloody Charlemagne and his Franks :evil: ) more specificaly under Bavarians and after some wheeling and dealing landed under Bohemia (not for too long).

It is also interesting that Habsburgs had quite strong local competition in counts of Cilia (now Celje, old roman Celea) who were the lords/owners of large parts of Slovenia (Kranjska, Koroška, Štajerska), Croatia, Vojvodina and entire Bosnia (heredetary contract with last Bosnian king Tvrdko). They were extremly clever in maritaly politics (wife of Sisigmund of Luxemburg - Holy roman emperor was from Celje family). But the made big mistake signing heredetary contract with Habsburgs. Last count of Cilia was killed by Hunyadi brothers (later Hungarian royal family) who worked for Habsburgs at the time in Kalemegdan Fortress (now military museum and part of Belgrade Serbia).

Venetians had quite a history in dalmatia. Basicly they wanted to preserve ther monopoly on entire trade in adriatic anyway possible. They used diplomacy, warfare or (what is still unforgiven) making deals with Turks for certain cities.
It is said that even during ww2 Italians who acted quite barbaricaly in Yugoslavia were called Mličani or. Mlječani (Dalmatian - Croatian for Venetians).