German Panzers: Which is the Best.

What German Tank do you think was the best during these years.
I kinda went on a hunch here:
1939- Mark 3 maybe the Check 38
1940-Mark 4
1941- Mark 4
1942- Mark 4 Upgrade barrel
1943- Tiger I
1944- Panther
1945- Tiger II

What do you think? I think I am wrong, but let me hear your input.

 

the tiger II never had a chance to prove it's potential, suffering from many bugs, and lack of petrol, and not to forget the allies armies

 

I think that czech is probably the most commonly misspelled word on these forums

Czech your seplling everyone!

 

I would say that the Pz.III was best in 1940 also. And the Tiger II is always a hotly contested one. Otherwise, you're about right in my view.

Maybe you should cheque yours!

 

Not to mention the fact, that Czechoslovakia was not split up into the Czech Republic and Slovakia until 1993-01-01, so all World War II equipment (e.g. the Lahky Tank LT 35 and LT 38) should be referred to as Czechoslovakian.

 

In 1939 I would prefer a Pz. II Ausf. D over any Pz. III or IV... I believe that the 20mm KwK achieved comprable penetration to other larger caliber weapons of the time, and the smaller calibre meant that it could be reloaded faster and the turret could trverse quicker... Plus its faster, more mobile and looks cheaper to produce... Earlier Pz. II's were generally superior to earlier Pz.III's IMHO

After 1940 however, the I'd prefer a Pz. III of IV simply because the larger frame means that it can be upgraded to a better extent than the tiny Pz.II frame...

Czech was the dominant language in former Czechoslovakia, (except for a brief period when it was German, can you guess when? ) and was the primary language used by the government and in diplomacy... So it wouldn't suprise me to see a WW2 primary source making references to 'Czech' and not 'Czechoslovak' material

 

The possesive form of a country name is not the language spoken in the country. This is especially evident in South American countries.

 

In the case of Czechoslovakia, it was...
At all times in Czechoslovakia's history, Czech has been the 'dominant' language :smok: Czechs accounted for ~%50 of the country's population in 1939, more than the Slovaks and Germans... The industry and infastructure of the was centralised in the Czech provinces of Bohemia and Morava, as was the political administration... Thus you get the majority of the coutry speaking Czech, much to Hitlers disdain...


Look here and see just how many times Hitler and Chamberlain refer to the 'Czech government' and not the 'Czechoslovak government'
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~pv/munich/index.html

slip of the tounge of course, but it is some of that primary material i was referring to

 

That still doesn't make it correct.

The far majority in Mexico speak Spanish, but things from Mexico are still Mexican, and not Spanish.

 

Oh I see what you mean now,

I'm saying that things (tanks?) were indeed Czechoslovak, but that many in the war would have simply referred to them as 'Czech' as we do now...

 

'Czech' is simply used as shorthand for 'Czechoslovakia' - mostly because people are too lazy to write or speak the whole word. Like using 'Panzer' instead of Panzerkampfwagen (or whatever the correct full German word is ).

It has nowt to do with the language, it's just the first part of the word and therefore a handy abbreviation.



Since the breakup, 'Czech Republic' is used.

 

Ok, say you are facing a Polish 7TP - would you rather be in a Pz.II or Pz.III?

 

in 1939, a pz.II

now I bet you're going to tell me why I've made the wrong choice

 

I'm not certain the early Mk IV would have been the best of choices.
That short-barelled 75' was of low-velocity, and better suited for HE-fire in supporting infantry... as was it's intended function IIRC.
In video armor-games I've played, an early short-barreled MkIV had difficulty knocking out a R-35 or H-35. They had little to no chance of knocking out anything heavier... Somua S35 or CharB1bis. (Maybe jam the turret-ring.) I know cause I've tried from every angle at short-range. I've snuck-up behind them and pounded them in the arse to no-avail.

In 1940/41, I like the Panzer III with high-velocity KwK38/39 50mm main-gun. The Ausf F-J models being my favorites.

Tim

 

Christian Ankerstjerne, so what, I was trying to keep it simple, for the word. Next time I will spell out e-ve-ry wo-00rd, just for y000hoo.



Hey got a question? When did the germans offically stop making Mark III's, even the latest updated one? ?

 

Not right now - I am still wondering why you chose the PzII though.

Most of the reasons you gave above seem to relate to ease of production rather than battlefield usage

 

august '43

Aglooka

 

Hey got a question? When did the germans offically stop making Mark III's, even the latest updated one? ?[/quote]

summer 43 , the tank was on its way out well before that ,
there was a splutter of mods using the chassis or field conversions ,probably to burn up the spares parts ,
the chassis of the Czech T38 seemed to have been more popular as a base
it turned up everywhere


in the aftermath of the winter war , Czech was pushed out in bohemia ,moravia to return to be a peasant language ,
most writters used german , if only for a wider audience , as late as franz kafka .
the wider use of Czech writting was part of a nationalist movement of the mid 19th century
even today german is the favored second language

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Didn't it stay in prodution through out the war as a base for assult guns? The Sturmgeschütz III?

 

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Mmmhh it's a tricky one the chassis WAS the same , but the stuG was from the start its own machine , destinated for the artillery for infantry support
confussing isn't it :-?
to add to the mess ,the PZKW 3 whose duty was anti-tank was deemed ineficient , not worthy of upgrade ,
it's most common replacement was ...:roll:.... the stuG who did sterling service as a tank destroyer ,
probably the best bang for buck of the whole panzer arms
the ultimate compliment was paid by the russians who are reputed to have modelled the SU-76 on it


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