Genocide against white farmers

Why is there such hate against white farmers in africa, especially rhodesia and south africa ?

A documentry about some cases, not very nice pictures of mudered white farmers, it´s disgusting!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=y8x2olm7Gkc& ... 20genocide

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FxM_DrIijyY& ... 20genocide

I ca not understand how human beings can force an old man to see how his wife get raped, how can people behave like that ??

Che.

 

Rhodesia has been called Zimbabwe for a couple of decades now.

As for the white farmers, the consensus amongst the black population in the African countries is, that the white farmers are the remains of the colonial powers. Thus, they seek to drive them our of the country, despite of the fact, that the farmers has nowhere else to go.

The governments (i.e. usually dictators) feed on the popularity of disliking the white farmers, despite the fact that they (the white farmers) are contributing greatly to the agricultural output of the countries.

 

But for example nearly 80% of the white farmers in Zimbabwe/Southrhodesia bought their land after the independece in 1980 under Mugabe, so how could the local population, not all of them but those who are against white farmers, hate these so much, if they know that the white farmers aqcuired this land in their new formed country under a black goverment ?

Regards,
Che.

 

Propaganda and group mentality.

 

Its not 'genocide',
its just run-of-the-mill murder + rape

Other than that yes I agree with you... bunch of savages

I have a question for the Dutch-speaking members, are you able to understand Afrikaans? Seeing as it is a derivative from Dutch...

 

I would imagine most Dutch-speaking people would be able to read Afrikaans with only little difficulty. It reads pretty much as Dutch, and it can sometimes be difficult to tell the two apart, if you don't speak the language natively.

 

Che, thanks for posting this. I have had some personal experience with this matter, visiting a farm in a "dangerous area". The farmers organized themselves into a "Farm Watch" which was in constant radio contact.

Important to remember.

And what do you base this on? "the black population" of African countries is a colossal blanket statement encompassing hundreds of languages and cultural identities. I have personally researched this matter. In South Africa, I would say it is not an act of genocide, rather one of common criminality. The farms are juicy, isolated targets surrounded by thousands of destitute, desperately poor people. Therefore, it is not a big miracle that some of them would resort to stealing. There are other factors such as jealousy, revenge, and possibly hatred involved as well.

In the midst of all this, I would like to remind everyone that for a large number of blacks (larger than the criminal element) they have working relationships with white farmers. In the farms I visited, they took excellent care of their black workers - selling them meat at a fraction of the cost, paying school fees, buying clothes, providing electricity, et cetera.

That applies especially to Zimbabwe. Mugabe's destruction of the Rhodesian farm industry through politically motivated farm attacks (through Zanu-PF youth groups) contributed heavily to sending the country into the state of economic decline it is today, the fastest shrinking in the world.

On a sidenote, an article I read in DISCOVER magazine on global happiness put Zimbabwe at the bottom of the list.

 

If you talk to some of the victims, I am sure you would not describe it that way. The "muti" murders are far from run of the mill.

:roll:

Seeing as I speak passable Afrikaans now Yes. It is closer to Flemish than Dutch, people say...

 

A good point, making it all the more unfair to the white Zimbabweans who stayed after the defeat and actually helped Zimbabwes economy. Che, it is incorrect to refer to the current whites (what is left of them) as Rhodesians - only Mugabe does that.

To expand on Christians answer. The black zimbabwean population is, at the moment, horribly destitute and uneducated. Mugabe, much like Hitler (whom he aspires to be, literally) blames the whites in the same way Hitler blames the jews. Blaming the current economic crisis on the "old Rhodesian connection" and "white sabotage". Also remember that a lot of the farm attacks in Rhodesia were carried out not by criminals but by the youth militia of Mugabes personal political party, Zanu-PF.

 

I heard it was Belarus

 

Man
I was referring to the countries in which this is a problem, and the part of the population which perceives the pricense of the white farmers as a problem.

 

Uh, I didn´t know that Mugabe does that, so I will follow your advice
I understand, it´s the same like Ahmadinedschad does in "his" Iran atm, when he courses against the jews. A common enemy united everytime and distract their own incompetent.
Disgustings things happend there to the white farmers there, incredible horror for human beings. Would it be better if Mugabe gets shot, doesn´t bring the murdered farmers alive, but would it be a way to improve the situation of the balck/white people of Simbabwe. Or would the next dictator be ready to take control and to be like a nasty parasite ?

Since the G8 nations are at Heiligendamm in Meck-Pom atm, I should write a letter to Angela that she should talk about the suffering of the farmers as well.

Regards,
Che.

 

No I would describe it exactly the same way... It is still mere murder, however violent the circumstances may be... Only if the guilty had the intention of wiping out a race can a murder appropriately be described as genocide,
See the definition of genocide here, the guilty fail the mental element
http://www.preventgenocide.org/genocide ... altext.htm

If this was an act of genocide the criminals would realistically have to hope to achieve the destruction of the white race... Racial motivation is not enough, because the object of such a crime may simply be to "kick all white people out of Africa" or to get revenge for the Apartheid Regime... Neither object involves the destruction of all white people...
Still not genocide I'm afraid...

If you look upon these people admirably, that is your business

 

The black population of Zimbabwe is generally pissed at white people. Why, because white people came to their land, forced their ways upon them and acted like they were better than them. Maybe it's racism and hate-crimes, but it's probably nothing compared to what Europeans will do to their immigrants who come to Europe and force their ways upon the Europeans.

 

hmm, what do you mean with this passage ?
I support the people, who say that immigrants have to be integrated. Subcultures were women get forced to marry and be under serious pressure by their families are not welcome here. Because they violate the law and every element of a forgein culture that violate the law and the human rights should be banned. So I don´t understand you´re post in the context with the problems in Zimbabwe ??

To your first passage, how can they pissed of the whites if they did not live to see the colonial power and repression, guess they´re envious coz they´re poor. Btw I think they (the black) had a better time in Rhodesia then today, in Rhodesia no black died of starvation. That doesn´t mean that this time was better then a time in freedom, but better then today. ?!




Regards,
Che.

 

You seem to be mixing moral principles with human nature.

Life was better for many blacks in the U.S. before they were liberated from slavery. What's your point? Maybe it is the tribal culture which more than anything else stands in the way of economical growth in Zimbabwe, but it's their land and their responsibility. Not the white man's burden. They are pissed because they have been regarded as sub-humans their whole life, even if it wasn't always intentionally from the white population.

I'm just saying that Europeans are beginning to get pissed of by mainly muslims conducting themselves with disregard and disrespect towards European culture and values, and that when Europeans get pissed enough they are probably going to do things much worse than the natives of Zimbabwe.

 

This was a totaly different situation in the US then in Rhodesia, blacks were no slaves there. Do you have any idea why South Africa is the most succesful nation in africa ? Coz the whites ruled this nation long enough without peoples with little minds. Mäp, I´m politcal incorrect, I know it sounds like, but I would say this til I write more. I think that every human is the same, could do and achieve the same. The point is that there are great differents in the world in education, experience, love, parents, enviroment. It´s nonsense to refer somebody of stupid, coz they´re lacking of education, experience and parental care. So most negros are not stupid or subhumans in my eyes, but they are incompetent in ruleing a nation, coz they are lacking of this factors. So it seems to be clear why South Africa is/was so succesful and why Zimbabwe a perfect country under white goverment, infrastructure perfectly, the granary of africa is a rotten country now ?????

They (white) had to form real (black&whites) politians, who were respecting human rights and able to do the best for Zimabawe, to represent the people and their will, coz this didn´t happen I would say Rhodesia was better then Zimbabwe is today for balck and white.

No it isn´t, nearly 80% of the white farmers in Zimbabwe/Southrhodesia bought their land after the independece in 1980 under Mugabe. So how could this be their land ?

Regards,
Che.

 

Blacks in the USA were better off before they were freed from slavery? You'd better not let the NAACP hear you say that, Varyag; they might get mad at you and call you a racist and other nasty names.

 

You're both missing my point. Che_Guevara is arguing that life was better for the black population of Zimbabwe when the whites ruled. That is perhaps true, but it doesn't make it right. Just like many blacks in the US, but not all, had a better life when they were slaves. As free men they got a more dangerous life and lost the welfares a "decent" slaveowner could provide, such as food and shelter, or even education and healthcare. But this doesn't make slavery right, just like the conduct of the whites in Zimbabwe doesn't get right because life was better in many ways for the blacks as well. Life was better for many Russians during the days of the Soviet Union as well, does that make communism a good thing?

 

Smeghead, I think we suffered a slight misunderstanding. I was not saying that it was genocide, I was making a badly formulated comment that some of the murders, specifically the muti murders, occur under especially aggravated circumstances. 'Muti' is an (I believe Sotho) word for medicine. 'Muti' murders have to do with the use of organs and body parts during ritualistic killings. Imagine watching somebody cut of the penis of your son and putting it in his mouth. It has happened.

Secondly, why does frowning upon a blanket statement = looking upon these people admirably? I find that quite offensive.