Che Guevara ,40 Years from his death.

Despite the controversies, Guevara's status as a popular icon has continued throughout the world, leading commentators to speak of a global "cult of Che". A photograph of Guevara taken by photographer Alberto Korda has became one of the century's most ubiquitous images, and the portrait, transformed into a monochrome graphic, is reproduced endlessly on a vast array of merchandise, such as T-shirts, posters, coffee mugs, and baseball caps largely for profit. The saying "Viva la revolucion!" has also become very popular and synonymous with Guevera.

He was killed in October 9, 1967. in 39. year of life,by CIA ,excecuted on .....really brutal way.After his death,they arms was amputeted by CIA doctors,n 1997, the skeletal remains of a handless body were exhumed from beneath an air strip near Vallegrande, identified as those of Guevara by a Cuban forensic team working at the scene, and returned to Cuba. On 17 October 1997, his remains, along with those of six of his fellow combatants killed during the guerrilla campaign in Bolivia, were laid to rest with full military honors in a specially built mausoleum in the city of Santa Clara, where he had won the decisive battle of the Cuban Revolution.

What heapened with his arms?

 

Who knows? Perhaps someone has them in a private collection, or they might be in some obscure museum somewhere. For that matter, they might even be in the Smithsonian, which has far more items in its possession than it could ever hope to display.

 

His picture may be in one of the political prisons he ran

 

lets glorify people who oppressed people because he wanted to "liberate" others. this guy was sick.

 

Jeah. Let's celebrate them
Eisenhower:
Guatemala, Iran, Kongo, Spain (Franco got his support at the time), Portugal (Salazar-same as Franco)

JFK:
Vietnam. latin America

LBJ:
Vietnam, latin America, Greece, Turkey, France ( messing into their internal affairs = reason for France to kick NATO out) and every other petty dictator willing to come to US for help

Nixon:
latin america (Chile, Argentina, Brasil...), Vietnam, Cambodia, Italy ( a quiet cue), Turkey, Greece, and every other petty dictator willing to come to US for help

Ford:
Same as Nixon + Nicaragua et all - Vietnam, and every other petty dictator willing to come to US for help

Carter:
Nicaragua (withrew support to Somoza dictatorship at the end), Iran (same as Nicaragua), Afganistan, Somalia and every other petty dictator willing to come to US for help

Reagan:
Nicaragua, Iran, Panama (now guess who put Noriega in charge), Afganistan, Pakistan, and every other petty dictator willing to come to US for help

papa Bush:
involved into everything under Reagan, Ford and Nixon (capo di tutti capi of the CIA)

 

I've never really understood why people admire Che Guevara. The man essentially failed at everything he ever tried to do.

 

good job Tiso you know History, those people arnt glorified nearly as much as Che. to liberate America went into to keep our interests there. You can pretty much name every single leader of a country since the beginning of time.

I've just checked up on the reasons for France leaving NATO (or its upper command at least.) Charles De Gaulle was the leader at the time. There were two sticking points in 1958.

1. The french feared there was some kind of special relationship between the UK and the USA which was marginalizing France. (maybe they have some justification given that UK politicians have been talking about special relationships for decades.)

2. De Gaulle wanted NATOs operational boundaries to be expanded to cover French Algeria and to help France with the insurgency in that country. Of course NATO would rightly never be a tool used to keep the French Empire together.

 

Basicly it was becouse prime minister De Gaulle was brought to power by military cue (more or less) by right wing generals who wanted "Algerie Francaise" but to their astonishment started negotiations with Algerians (FLN) which led to " Algerie Algeriene". OAS was formed and military cue of 4 generals (22.april 1961) was organised. Behind military cue were mostly operatives of stay behind networks. The iron fist of French secret services and french/NATO stay behind network 11. batallon du Parachutiste du Choc mostly went to the side of OAS.

It is now known that general Challe's decision for starting a cue was influenced by CIA.
According to book by Danielle Ganser (page 95 cites article by Krief abou gen Challe: "All the poeple who know him well, are deeply convinced that he had been encouriged by the CIA to go ahead".
he also relates some details about meating in Madrid (12.4.1961) between conspiritors and CIA representatives. After coup failed OAS was out of control and wave of terrorism spread i Algeria and France.

Things were completly out of control and culminated in 17. october 1961 massacre of 200-300 Algerian demonstrators in Paris by Parisiene police who were lead by police chief Maurice Papon ( he was also responible for deportation of 1500+ jews to KZ's during war). According to 1988 testiomony of Constantine Melnik (De Gaulle's security advisor and chief of secret services 1959-1962) when testimony about stay behind networs he said: " any group with radios and training would be very dangerous fo security of France". Basicly De Gaulle's decision was mostly based on the cue and terrorism from NATO connected stay behind and their meddling into his affairs and realy pissed him of when assasination attempt was made on his life ( he didn't realy care about himself but was outraged that it was attemplted with his wife present and that made it personal). First step was to kick out CPC ( joint NATO stay behind headquarters) and later when NATO played dumb also NATO HQ from Strassburg.

BTW similar meddling into internal affairs led Norway's NIS to be very pissed of NATO connetcted stay behind networks in 1957 ( Norvegians wera appalled by the idea of CIA and MI6 controlled norvegian network and few spying scandals ( CIA/NATO officials spying on civilians and high ranking goverment officials) and they withrew from CPC. Norvay had to be begged to rejoin CPC.

BTW
Recomended reading:
Danielle Ganser: NATO's secret armies (Operation Gladio and terrorism in western Europe) it is basicly PhD research topic on a very touch subject to Europeans

 

Isn't there someone on this forum called Che Guevara, if so why are they allowed to keep that user name?

 

Yeah, it´s me, it´s me

You should mention that his murder had to get drunk, coz he didn´t have the guts to do it.

....deleted my own crap.......

Regards,
Che the misjudged idealist xD.

 

I somewhat agree with Che. In the First World War there was a religious group called the Mennonites, and when they were conscripted into the army they refused to fight or even to wear the United States uniform. Although I do not agree with nonresistance, I certainly do not agree with the way they were treated; being imprisoned, having freezing water poured over their faces, etc. :angry: . Some measures have to be taken, otherwise people who just did not want to fight would say they had conscientious objections to war, even when they did not.

 

Because not every questionable character is worth exlcuding from or possible list of names. Che Guevara is generally admired as a revolutionary spirit; even if you and I disagree with such a qualification, surely you will agree that it is a lot more harmless than a username like Hitler or Stalin (which are not allowed on this forum).

 

While Che Guevera may still be seen as representative of a revolutionary "spirit" the man was a second-rate revolutionary with few positive traits... and a misguided purpose. No doubt the US government and CIA were VERY pleased to finally see him executed by the Bolivians.
In my opinion, he got exactly what he deserved.

How ironic that his image is making entreprenuers/capitalists rich selling coffee-mugs, posters and T-shirts. Poetic justice. I can't help but be reminded of Woody Allens' 1971 movie "Bananas."

In spite of all that, our poster named "Che" is a good and well-meaning lad.


Tim

 

commando:
Conscientious objectors and those with strong religious-grounding have found other ways to serve during war-time. Many went into the medical corps serving as medics. They were then able to contribute to the war-effort by saving lives... as opposed to taking them.

Still, during WW2, it was clear we were fighting a great evil in the world... in the form of Tojo and Hitler and to a lessor extent Il Duce. I think even those that objected on religious-grounds recognized their country, their families and their way of life--religious freedoms--were threatened. Most did their part.

Tim

 

No doubt about that. In fact, I said I disagreed with the way he is widely regarded. However, my point was that he is a lot more harmless as a historical figure than the ones we do disallow as usernames.

 

True enough. However, I have to wonder if "Che Guevera" isn't the Spanish for "Sad Sack", because the guy was a total loser.

 

sure he did. Im pretty sure they could've gotten a CIA officer to do it. I wouldn't hesitate.

 

It isn't really bad having Che Guevara as a user name, but if anyone put their name as Hitler, or Tojo, boy would I be angry. :angry: There are some WW2 forums where that is allowed. :angry:

Tim. When I said about the group called the Mennonites, and how they won't fight, well they wouldn't even become a stretcher bearer, or medic because it meant wearing the U.S. Army uniform. That is what I really disagree with.

 

If I remember correctly, Jehovah's Witnesses have much the same view. They were repressed quite harshly by the Nazis for some reason...

 

Jehovah's were anti-nationalistic and didn't want to join the military