Corona Virus - How is that working for you?

Went to the drive thru at the bank to deposit a check today. Teller at the window smiles and asks "Have any plans for today?" Yep, I'm gonna try to finish what I was doing yesterday. "What did you do yesterday" teller asks. I said "Nothing, and if I don't finish doing nothing today I'll work on it some more tomorrow."

My hobby is to get the essential workers that I meet to laugh because their pay usually sucks.

 

Sweden is still looking pretty good compared to much of western Europe. And interestingly, the World Health Organization, after encouraging nations to lockdown and implode their economies has now reversed course and calls Sweden the "model" for how we should handle the virus.

Coronavirus deaths per million by country | Statista

https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/

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Hoping the Swedish method works but they have quite an "open system" about Corona and some say they will "pay for it later dearly". We shall see.

Sweden prepares for possible tighter coronavirus measures as deaths rise

Sweden prepares for possible tighter coronavirus measures as deaths rise

 

Actually many are expecting the "second round" i.e. the virus goes round the globe to show the final result of the infection. That would mean the disease would create havoc possibly until the late 2020......

 

We are all going to pay the price. Sweden will just do it sooner, and without adding poverty to the other miseries inflicted by this illness.
As we come out of lockdown cases will rise. They will rise again in the fall when weather forces people to congregate indoors.
Evidence suggests the disease is "attenuating" (changing) so even if a vaccine is developed rather quickly it may not work against the newer forms of the virus when it finally gets released.
Or, conversely, the virus may attenuate itself out of existence as happened with SARs.
The future is unknown, but at least in the foreseeable future Sweden is going to come out better than any other developed nation. They expect Stockholm to reach "herd immunity" levels in May, with other populations within the country following as the disease runs its course.

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KB. POTUS said 100,000 dead Americans is a win. What's number is acceptable in your opinion?

 

No matter how you cut it, herd immunity? a year to two years away. Businesses close that have opened and death at a rate unknown but deaths for sure during that time. I just hope that none of us on the forum are infected or die, or any of our families. Vaccine.

 

100,000 dead Americans and 30 million unemployed. And those same 100,000 have/will die lockdown or not. The lockdown DOES NOT save lives, merely delays the deaths.
The lockdown has added to the misery by creating widespread poverty. People are losing their jobs, their homes, their savings. It has not saved a single life. I wish you could grasp that simple truth. Or, do you just think that since you are retired and not affected, screw those 30 million people? You're heartless.

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So what do you think is an acceptable number? Not a trick question and there is no wrong answer. I'm sure every major military action of WWI had a number for acceptable losses before going to plan B.

 

Might be that a nuclear/ballistic submarine would be one of the safest places to be. Back from liberty, maybe not that often, check ‘em good and pray.

 

We have no control over the number. Zero. None. Nil. The virus will continue to spread. It's out there. We catch it now, or we catch it later. That's the only choice we have. Unfortunately, delaying the spread through mitigation procedures (lockdown) has the side effect of destroying tens of millions of lives through economic collapse.

We have learned a few things though. Most people will never even know they have it. The antibody studies prove that. So, it's largely harmless to the average healthy person. They should be able to resume their lives, while people with diabetes, obesity, the elderly, etc, stay in lockdown. THEY need to be protected. So, we can protect the 5% of endangered people while 95% go back to work until a vaccine comes along (questionable) or the disease attenuates itself out existence, like SARs.

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The latest news is that in Russia the infection has started to spread with speed. Yesterday some 8,000 new corona infections were counted, altogether some 114,600 now. 1169 of these have died.

 

We do have control over the number IMO so any more discussion with you on the subject is pointless. It is what it is

 

Not according to every expert on the planet. You can slow down the spread through locking populations down, but in the end exactly as many people will contract the virus.

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I can't recall reading that anyone with a medical degree who says lock down is only delaying the inevitable. You have a link with a real virologist suggesting that?

 

..no economy = everyone pays

 

we know for sure the lockdown is destroying the economy = destroying a lot more lives

 

Actually, no...it is assumed that the same number of people will get sick, because that is the only way for the fancy prediction mathematical formulas to work.

For instance, if Nmax is the total number of the population will get sick...How do you figure out Nmax, when you know nothing about the disease/virus.

When COVID first started, how would anyone know what Nmax is? 100,000?1 million? 1 billion?

How about MERS?

How about SARS?

How about Ebola?

How about AIDS?

No one, and I mean no one can give a reliable figure for Nmax. Simply because no one knows how many will get sick from any particular disease until it starts to spread, and prediction models can be made.

So, now I will ask KodiakBeer what the Nmax for COVID is.

 

Destroying the economy for sure. It's like WWII. We're in uncharted waters and have already left the shore. Lock down taking more lives than the virus? No, we don't know that. Lock down taking lives? My son just told us that his neighbor took her life yesterday and he said it was the financial hardship so I won't disagree that it will push some poor troubled souls over the edge. Mostly the working poor will be hardest hit IMO. My son thinks the virus is a hoax. Wait, that was two weeks ago. Now he is certain that it is a Chinese bioweapon. It's hard to keep up. Kid's got an Ivy League education and makes a lot of money.