Corona Virus - How is that working for you?

Destroying the economy?

Go to your local Wal-Mart & count the big flat screen TV's going out the store.

I saw 3 in 20 minutes yesterday.

 

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Too many customers in their pajamas there for me.

 

Walmart will survive in any circumstance. We just got Stay at Home through May 31. Any easing will depend on the numbers. 50% of the businesses that make my town a town are locally owned, staffed and pay local taxes. Even if we open their business will be down. Without federal aid we won't be able to afford to stay a town. Uncharted waters.

 

30 million unemployment claims in the last 30 days. A like number being temporarily supported by the Paycheck Protection Program. Those are numbers. Arithmetic is a real thing. Many of those businesses have already folded, and more will fold every day this idiocy continues.

Not one life will be saved.

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Darwin was celebrating having zero cases...all 28 cases have left hospital...only to have four ADF personnel arrive in Darwin from an OS posting with Covid...As our Chief Minister said yesterday, the ADF has helped the NT by helping the Police to shut down our borders (1 cop + 2 soldiers per entry...Then it’s the NT’s responsibility to give back and treat the 4 soldiers here in the NT...too bloody right it is.

 

It's funny, we are a forum dedicated to 'the greatest generation' and yet staying home, not going to the movies, bars, restaurants, ball games is too great a sacrifice. Our parents and grand parents survived the great depression and then fought the worst war in human history and we find living in a safe home watching 200 channels too much of a burden. Are we the 'whiny generation'?

 

Yeah, our grandfathers were told to pick up a gun a get on a ship...we were told to sit on our couches...

 

Do not forget in 1918 the Spanish disease I.e. bad influenza killed 50-80 million in Europe. Quite a phenomenon...

 

......WW2 helped the economy
.....C19 is destroying the economy
...I don't go to movies, bars, ball games, etc ....I'm grateful for a cheese sandwich....I've stated many times on WW2F how grateful I am for everything because I have read about the deprivation caused by WW2.
....but it's a huge difference..WW2 created jobs....C19 is creating unemployment
.....I live in reality---people don't want to lose their homes and cars/jobs/etc
..the other difference is, during the Great Depression, you could go to movies,bars, restaurants, ball games, etc

..I rode my bike to work for about 25 years--rain and snow...when it got below 15 degrees, I walked to work....my dad was at the Chosin where it got to 30 below zero, so I understand what the GG went through.....my dad slept on our back porch with no heat or AC when it was 90 degrees out

..yes we have a ''whiny'' generation if that's what you mean....they are used to to their phones/AC/etc.....but people complaining about the lockdown have a legitimate complaint
....I've got 2 kids --late teen and 26 year old [ I think--ahahahhaha ] ...the late teen never has gone out much anyway and the other one loves working from home......I'm sure she hates not going to sports events/etc ....
...I don't think there is much ''whining'' going on.....

 

This is for damn sure. It’s a whole different situation.

 

It's not about entertainment. It's about losing homes, businesses, savings, etc. And remember, the lockdown does NOT SAVE A SINGLE LIFE. Every epidemiologist and expert agree on this. Locking down only spreads out the deaths. We are also seeing that the average person is in no danger whatsoever from this bug. The aged, infirm, diabetics, people with compromised immune systems, etc, are the only ones in danger and should stay locked down. It's no worse than a cold for the average healthy person, and once they've had it they contribute to the herd immunity that protects those that are vulnerable.

Get your information from science, not the babbling hysterical media. Even the WHO have come around and acknowledged that Sweden got it right, and everybody else got it wrong.

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I agree killing business for the rest of the year we are dead anyway. We must open at some point perhaps soon.

 

I'm still leaning towards surviving this thing without needing to go to hospital, ventilator or not.

Now that things are opening up because hospital beds are available the odds of my coming into contact with Covid are increasing and leadership is still a SNAFU. As an avowed virus survivalist, I'll need to set a more defensive perimeter. For me, N94 and hand washing are key. To ease back to normal, family socializing only. Children and grandkids will need to be 15' away or wearing a mask.


For perspective

 

Just a little insight into it here:
My county, Franklin County Pennsylvania, 155,000 population, 325 positive, 3,053 negative and 8 deaths. 156 positive in my zip code.
In our hospital, 4 ventilators in use for covid19 out of 24 available.

Now we have Philadelphia County with an approximate population of 1.6 million people.
12,948 positive, 29,612 negative with 422 deaths.
It is nothing compared to New York, of course. Just thought I would throw this out there.
Now the county just to my west with about 14,000 population has 4 cases of the virus with no deaths.
Our state per our governor has been divided into six regions. The regions start from red and then to yellow and then to green as far as opening up. Our region as well as the complete lower half of the state and the northeast part is red. Could be for a long time the way the cases are increasing with the people being tested. There are protests in the state capital in Harrisburg for him to open up small businesses etc. I doubt he will listen. Going to be an interesting 18 months to 2 years.

 

"Confirmed cases" is a meaningless statistic. The antibody studies show that only the tiniest fraction of the infected get tested while they are actually sick (and thus would be a "confirmed case"). Most people are asymptomatic, or mildly symptomatic and don't go to a doctor, or need to go to a doctor where they *might* get tested.
So again, 30% of NYC has already had the virus and are now immune. That's about 2.5 million of 8 million, none of which were tested and added to the "confirmed cases" data. The same number holds true for Boston - 30%. Upstate New York is about 15%. You're going to get similar high numbers in other metro areas, and lower numbers in rural areas across the country.

In a year or so when we get the majority of the population carrying the antibodies, we'll have true herd immunity and it will be over. A vaccine could end it sooner, but I wouldn't count on that.

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Same dynamics here. King County, 2.2 mil and crowded next to Kittitas Co. 46k. If the stay home order was lifted in King 200,000 would recreate in Kittitas. Not good IMO. Unless you are for herd immunity and feel the people in Kittitas need to go through the survival of the fittest process.

edit to say I posted before I saw the Kbears

 

for perspective:
.....New Zealand is an island--in the middle of the ocean--far away from another country--with much less population than the US and much less density
..like I said: if we can't beat this and keep the economy up and running, we are stupid
...stay at home and your chances of get C19 is very low
..even if you don't stay at home, depending where you live, chances are you won't get it

 

I don't like the chances closer to the front so I need to wear a helmet.

4/30 was the 75th anniversary of the death of William O. Darby. He stepped out of a meeting and onto the street in Torbole Italy. Mortar round came in before he put his helmet on and shrapnel hit him in the head. OTOH, my dad was in a foxhole with his helmet on when a mortar round came in. And he got shrapnel in his butt.

 

in his butt...