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Things has certainly changed a bit. Hopefully this comparison is not entirely accurate.

Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by A-58, Oct 27, 2023.

  1. A-58

    A-58 Cool Dude

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  2. wooley12

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    Some things never change. Some WWII history for ya. My mom ran into the same "anti-woman in the military" issues when she joined the SPARS in 1944. At a baseball game in Washington DC with another SPAR the men seated behind her started to berate her and he friend for bing women in the military. In those days, a good woman lived with her father and mother until she got married. It was in the Bible so they said. So these guys dumped a beer on mom's friends head and they left. As they were leaving, a couple of navy men saw they were upset and asked why. When mom told them what had happened they had her lead them back into the stadium and point the goons out. The navy guys waited for the men to leave after the game was over and beat the crap out of them. BTW, that United States Naval Officerr has a much bigger resume than the one the meme paints a picture of.

    My hat is off to all in the military.

    Carry on men
     
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  3. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I've heard they did away with the line crossing ceremony.
     
  4. Ricky

    Ricky Well-Known Member

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    Is this a bad moment to point out that King was not great at his job? Perhaps if he had studied journalism WW2 would have been shorter... :D:D
     
  5. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

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    Depends on the job…She may not be the pick to lead a carrier group, but be an exceptional man manager. Not all positions are about combat as we know.
     
  6. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    The higher the rank, the less of a specialist. I never picked up a wrench after I made chief. It was actually rather boring, but that's the definition of middle management I think. I declined a fat check so as to not have to spend ten years firing fires and firing fighters. Smartest move since leaving the womb.
     
  7. USMCPrice

    USMCPrice Idiot at Large

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    Admiral Franchetti does have a diverse resume and is qualified, though based upon the other appointments made at the same time it appears the administration selected these candidates based upon sex, gender and race instead of pure "best for the job. The Navy needs a leader right now to get itself back on track, and it was male CNO's Admiral's Gilday and Richardson that were leading the Navy the last number of years when many problems have surfaced, from the DD-Fitzgerald and DD-McCain collisions, to the Bonhomme Richard fire to the ten suicides in 10 months for the CVN-George Washington, etc. etc. Our problem today is that the political powers that be, promote and place politically managers in most of the senior leadership positions, when we need fighters and leaders.

    They do have a point about the ribbons and award inflation. Ribbons are worn in order of precedence based upon importance. Admiral Franchetti has the National Defense ribbon, this is the ribbon you get for even one days service during a specified period of conflict. It is the one ribbon that you see recruits wear as the only ribbon they rate. It is the last ribbon on the FOURTH row up from the bottom on Admiral Franchetti's stack! The description of King's awards is misleading. He ended his service with 4 1/2 rows, the highest award being the Navy Cross. the nations second highest award for heroism, his very last ribbon on the bottom row was the National Defense ribbon.

    Now to Ricky's comment,
    I doubt if King's lack of consideration for journalism cost a single life or extended the war another day, and I can guaran-damn-tee, journalism didn't win any battles. Journalism on the other hand has led to quite a few bad decisions and bad outcomes by stirring up adverse public opinion in areas the public, and likely the journalist don't fully comprehend.
    King lead the US Navy in its biggest war in history. Assuming the role of COMINCH of the US Fleet from Admiral Kimmel on 30 Dec. 1941 and took over the role of CNO from his friend and mentor Admiral Stark in March 1942. He oversaw the US Navy during it's massive expansion and worldwide commitments during the war, it was his leadership that saw to it that the US Navy was the largest and most lethal navy in the history of the world. He was an angry, ill tempered, SOB but he made the Navy function efficiently and win. There have been very few Admirals and world history that could have performed the task he successfully performed.
     
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    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    The maestro said it all.
     
  9. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Luckily for the world King had some good CPOs on his staff.

    :D
     
  10. George Patton

    George Patton Canadian Refugee

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    As always, good points. While award inflation is out of control (is it the USAF where by the time you leave boot camp you can have up to 3 ribbons?), it is important to look at the actual ribbons themselves rather than the quantity of ribbons before rendering judgement on an individual's credentials/accomplishments. One thing to add that some people overlook: many flag officers during WW2 would only wear the top row of their ribbon rack (which contained the highest-precedence awards). Like FADM King, each of these individuals had far more than the 3 or 4 ribbons shown on their uniforms. This is still occasionally seen today.

    A few examples:

    Eisenhower:
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    Nimitz:
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    Gilday (former CNO)
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    The salad bar did get a little weird.
     
  12. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    I've said this previously and being a full time Civilian take it for what it's worth but comparing today's ribbon rack to, oh say WW2 service personnel for instance, it seems to me there's a whole lot of "participation" awards. Merle served three Years in the SWPA, another 26 years in service retiring as a Bird Colonel and received the Legion Of Merit (2), DFC, AM (with clusters) and another ten or so medals/ribbons. Today its not uncommon to see a Sergeant with four rows on their chest.

    Don't get me wrong and like I've said before : Not every Soldier is a Hero, But All my Heroes have been Soldiers.

    Had to return and edit out a few slelkcheked mixtakes.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    C. 1972, I ran into a classmate from my high school, Class of '69, [insert jokes here] who was very proud of his NROTC "medals". I just smiled at him. He knew. :cool:
     
  14. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    Kind of reminds me of once talking to a cousin of mine who was telling me of the awful things he witnessed. He was living with a 100% disabled Vet ,( Who actually did encounter a near hit from an RPG in Afghanistan). The cousin was assigned to the motor pool in Germany for a few months before, um uh, being set free.
    Anyway I looked at him and asked just how bad did it get driving a truck in Deutschland ?
    Most likely the Fraulein's beat him up.
     
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    RichTO90 Well-Known Member

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    Much worse than award inflation is rank inflation. There are currently about 900 flag officers on active duty to command 1.3 million in uniform. In World War II, there were just over twice as many - about 2,000 flag officers - to command nearly ten times as many - 13 million.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    No general likes anything until he's peed on it to give it a familiar taste.
     
  17. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    Uncle could have made General but when told they wanted another five year commitment he said,
    " I don't think so , two Wars, 29 1/2 years service, recently married, and you want to ride a desk? Think I'll pass but thank you very much.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I'm a quitter, I got out before I died.
     
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    I was friends with a fellow who was a G Canal vet. Stayed in the guard and reserves for 40 years. He only wore his CIB. He said it said it all.
     
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    T. A. Gardner Genuine Chief

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    It's called wearing your "top three." This practice is allowed today, and you see it once in a while. I actually did it later in my naval career.
     

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