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  1. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Obviously "intelligence" is graded on a sliding scale and physical and and physiological issues are considered. Dolphins are very smart, but they'll never build space ships.
     
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    Would we be talking this way if it wasn't?
     
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    Would it matter?
     
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    Communications are a benchmark for a species' intelligence, I believe. I could speak to a human expedition on Mars if such ever happens. Dolphins, they couldn't unless they had help. Same with the great apes, they purportedly can use an artificial language (signing) to communicate, again, with our help.
     
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    Kalli is my dog, Kalli understands English. I have acquired a rudimentary understanding of Canine. She’s 14 and has learned words and sign language but I only comprehend a fraction of what she’s attempted to teach me
    I’ve learned to ‘read’ her body language -to an extent- and know if she wants to go out or her water dish is empty. Basically she understands me but I don’t understand her. So who is smarter ?
    I’ll post a picture later when I have better reception. All in all Humans aren’t everything we’re cracked up to be.
     
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    We can teach but inferior species can’t? Consider we can’t learn what is attempted to be taught to us by other Life.
    I’ve not only been in classes where others can’t grasp the subject matter but also been one who couldn’t.
     
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    The thing is;We determine the Scale ! What use would a Dolphin have for a spaceship ? As far as I’m concerned, Humankind has gone from a Self- Reliant Civilization to a Reliant Culture. And that’s not a bad thing. Life Expectancy has grown from 30 years to the 70 year plus range over the last 100 years. Look at it this way: Maybe “Animals “ have been attempting to communicate with us but we’re too damn stupid to understand?!
    Imagine living a Life completely responsible for your own existence. If we all wake up tomorrow without electricity a large percentage of Humankind will cease to exist within a few months.
     
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    What use would a Dolphin have for a spaceship ?

    Same reason we want one.
     
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    I worked with a team of mules in the '60s. They understood "GEE" and "HAW". (Left and right IIRC) Left and right didn't mean anything to them. They just had been trained to do certain things when they heard certain sounds.
     
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    Quantum physics for me. So?
     
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    [​IMG]

    Galileo's Europa
    Image Credit: NASA, JPL-Caltech, SETI Institute, Cynthia Phillips, Marty Valenti​


    Explanation: Looping through the Jovian system in the late 1990s, the Galileo spacecraft recorded stunning views of Europa and uncovered evidence that the moon's icy surface likely hides a deep, global ocean. Galileo's Europa image data has been remastered here, with improved calibrations to produce a color image approximating what the human eye might see. Europa's long curving fractures hint at the subsurface liquid water. The tidal flexing the large moon experiences in its elliptical orbit around Jupiter supplies the energy to keep the ocean liquid. But more tantalizing is the possibility that even in the absence of sunlight that process could also supply the energy to support life, making Europa one of the best places to look for life beyond Earth. The Juno spacecraft currently in Jovian orbit has also made repeated flybys of the water world, returning images along with data exploring Europa's habitability. This October will see the launch of the NASA's Europa Clipper on a voyage of exploration. The spacecraft will make nearly 50 flybys, approaching to within 25 kilometers of Europa's icy surface.
    Tomorrow's picture: Ptolemy's astronomy​
     
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    Quantum Physics is far above my pay grade. I have to reduce things to the KISS theory.
    Things are as we understand it, not as they actually are. We observe galaxies where they were not where they are. The same for planets and for that matter Moons. Also We set the standard of comprehension. The center of our Galaxy is 26.000 years away Nearest Star to us is 4.25 years away. Farthest Star from us is 1 million years away. Andromeda Galaxy is 2.5 million miles away. Distance from the farthest star to Andromeda is 1.5 million miles away. All measurements are rounded from ” light years to years” The Space between the farthest Star we’ve measured distance to to the nearest Galaxy in perspective isn’t that great.
     
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    The nearest star is 93 million miles (149 million kilometers) away.
     
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    Ok, From our Solar system. The nearest is a tad over 8 minutes away. We'll be dead before we realize somethings changed.
     
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    Agreed, if it exploded without warning. That's why SOHO is so important.
     
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    Dupe
     
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    Most people under estimate animals because we set a level of expectation from them…Imagine a human raised by wolves…Out from the jungle comes a scrawny, dirty looking scruff of a human who speaks no language other than growls and barks…Does not understand the world beyond what that human had experienced…This is the same creature that built St Paul’s cathedral…that wrote sonnets, that painted the Sistene Chapel…That went to the moon.
    What is the difference between that wolf human and us? Education and Culture.
    We know that it’s what makes the difference between stupid, useless and a burden…To becoming something extraordinary.
    Few realise that this applies to all animals…They are capable of so much more if we educate and supply a culture that expects more from them…A playful animal into a guide dog for the blind…an expert herding dog…A working dog…
     
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    My other question to OP was is intelligence all that it’s wrapped up to be…?
    Most species last on average about ten million years (humans are about 8 million and counting)…But what of a species that last 200 million years or more (sharks are older than trees)…Who is the more successful species? Man, who has been here a whole 8 million years or the species that will still be around long after we have passed?
    Which species is more desirable?
     
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