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If American attack Iran,can the Iran resist American military ?

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  1. duoya321

    duoya321 Dishonorably Discharged

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    If American attack Iran,can the Iran resist American military ?
    The American military power are serval times over Iran amry. If the conventional strike, epecially American air force strike ,can destroy half percent Iran land force ,most of the airfield, port,oil tanks and communication facility. And Iran lack of ability to destory the American satellite ,so all military action and move will be minitor by American. that"s fatal.
    Only two country can confront American in military,one is China, another is Russia. but Russia short of econmic power,but if China help Iran stop the American invade ,send amry or give a lot of supply to Iran .That is another scene. why China should support Iran ,because they both are lived in Asia. I think the Aisa people didn't like the Amercian amry and NATO exist in Aisa,Amercian and west country should think about it .

    Sure the American land force and air force ,marine and nuclear power are the top1 in the planet, but that isn"t promise them can do anything what they want in world.
     
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    duoya321 Dishonorably Discharged

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    is it reasonable?
     
  3. lwd

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    Is what reasonable?
     
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    China does not have the ability to mobilize their armed forces outside of China. Russia is better positioned to help Iran but this really is not a feasible scenario. The US is having problems supporting their operations in Afghanistan and cannot start another long term engagement. It looks like you answered your own question anyway
     
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    Resistance would be futile.
     
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    No,

    A thousand or two 'Tomahawks' will do to Iran what they did to Iraq. To that you can add the USN carriers and planes and the new fangled UAVs.

    By the time the USMC etc arrive it will just be a repeat of what happened to Saddam.
     
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    I believe that war with Iran is inevitable. IMO a war with Iran (if the military nuclear program is confirmed) would be the right thing to do. Both China and Russia will stay out of the conflict as both will side with Europe (Russia definately). Once Iran is attacked however; Israel better mobilise quickly...
     
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    I on the other hand don't think so. Indeed I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the current regime fall in the next few years due to internal politics.
     
  11. Artem

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    Interesting topic.


    Considering for no apparent reason the war happened tomorrow and it was purely USA vs. Iran, I'd say the US would get bogged down pretty well.


    Iran:

    500,000 armed services men, 300,000 reserves, and approximately 11,000,000 men that can be easily mobilized.

    -Their Navy would be quickly abandoned since it's made mostly of outdated corvettes and frigates, 28,000 personel would be useful elsewhere I'd imagine. With a bit of imagination maybe those 13 submarines could so something useful. (slim chance, however).

    -Their air force makes things interesting. It's no match for the USAF, however, the IRIAF is not exactly under-armed either. Modern air combat hasn't really been tested since the Vietnam War, Iraq's air force was taken out before it could do anything, so it's debatable what would happen in an actual air combat situation. Considering the strength, numbers and advance of the IRIAF, it (on paper) looks quite promising;
    331 combat air craft
    44 f14s
    40 mig-29s
    24 dassault mirage f1s,
    It's no match for f-22 raptors, and anything stealth that the US still has on offer, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions either. They are still modern air craft and with some skill can match anything modern that's out there.

    -As for their land forces well... this is probably the bit that matters. And as you'd imagine it's quantity over quality.
    Their armor is.... quite terrible. Most of what they have can be found in museums, and if not, it's probably used by African nations as well as Iran. They're all easily targets, offer no modern defense systems and are no comparison to US tanks. It's like Mark Vs going up against t34s. They offer few mechanized vehicles, which again, would be very dear when lost. Most of their artillery is outdated and towed, but still plenty to resist US attacks. Their small arms are pretty much what the US have, just different version/names/copies.


    The army has over 500 helicopters at their disposal, most of which are personnel carriers. The interesting part is their very good AA ability. Along with what their air force has to offer, it would make US think twice before taking a free hand over the skies where it enjoyed so much in Iraq. Their inventory has plenty of bits and pieces that can engage modern air craft, anti-missle/tank technology.



    Just from looking at that it's evident that the best thing Iran could do is hit and run. Tehran is very far away from the Persian gulf, Iran is in their home country, half of their service men have been there longer than the US Troops have been alive for. Their equipment is defensive, good enough to cause plenty of damage.


    US would probably try quickly gain air superiority as their prime objective, and attempt to take down anything important that Iran has with task forces. Try to destroy as much of what they have before they can retreat/regroup and make try to avoid killing civilians to prevent any home front resistance.



    As for Iran, keep retreating, bulge the US down, cause as much havoc as possible. Stick together to avoid being torn down by task forces, try going for another Vietnam and attempt a political solution. US task forces are not invincible, using Mogadishu as precedents. Go for the convoys, pin them down with what little shelling equipment they have, don't get air force raped, there's plenty of defense equipment available to tackle it.



    Iran has plenty of resources, very rich and good logistics for any Middle Eastern nation. Sure, eventually US could win logistically, but they've been how long in Afghanistan? Iran is a much bigger and modernized nation, a war there would not end swiftly. Politics would come in hand.
     
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    I would only be too happy and relieved if that were the case...

    Lets hope that it plays out the way you claim; for everyones sake friend.
     
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    Just looking at equipment can be very misleading. For instance howmany of those planes are actually flyable? Of those how many are in good repair. You suggest a hit and run strategy but how do they run given the probalby US air supremacy and the number of aircraft and UAVs that can call in smart rounds. I would exect the initial combat to go much like the invasion of Iraq. What happens in the long run is another matter. A lot depends on just what the US goals are.
     
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    Artem, im afraid you are bit too optimistic friend. Never in any of our wildest dreams would such a conflict remain solely between the U.S. and Iran....

    Once attacked, Iran will have nothing to lose and will immediately attack its arch enemy, Israel.
     
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    I agree that Iran would try to involve Isreal to try and make it a great Islam war against the west and jews.
     
  16. Artem

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    we all remember how well that worked when Iraq tried it :p

    As for the political side, I honestly can't tell. Too much guest work involved, too much to consider. You could make wild accusations going from it just being US attacking Iran to a ww3.

    As for the air craft, from what research I've done, most of them are functional, except there's only 20 functioning f14s (rest are in repair). I'll stress again the importance of Iran's air defence systems. If anything, that will be the key to forcing the US to be more cautious with their air superiority (once they gain it), and buying time to retreat when they can.
     
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    They don´t need to involve Israel. If the US attacks Iran, they have their great islam war! And i´m sure that this would be a war with many big problems for the USA and some for the rest of their western allies too.
     
  18. ozjohn39

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    "They don´t need to involve Israel. If the US attacks Iran, they have their great islam war!"

    Who will take on the USA in support of Iran?

    Syria? Jordan? Egypt? Saudi Arabia? Iraq?

    NONE of the above.

    The USA can and will if needed do to Iran what it did to Saddam's Iraq. Cripple her in the first 48 hours, and mop up the rest in the next 14 days. I remember well the TV was full of 'experts' saying that Iraq would kill 50,000 Americans when they came up against Saddam's 'Invincible Guard or whatever they called themselves. They lasted 2 or 3 days.

    In fact I will go so far as to say that few, if any, ground troops will be need. Iran will be emasculated from the air.
     
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    My friend Persia is no Iraq.
     
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    The U.S. would likely not attack Iran on their own. It would either be a coalition or nothing. Besides many European allies would be ready to join in. The Uk and France are actively patrolling the area already for example ( fighting piracy and having troops in Afghanistan allowed them to send ships and to keep an eye on the situation, France has recently opened a new base on the Gulf peninsula and has the Djibouti base nearby+ a carrier and part of the fleet . Israël would probably be ready for airstrikes.
    This being said I hope this does not happen. The Iranian do not all support thier leader , but they would unite if they are attacke don theri own ground and even if they loose there would be terrorism and air strikes , possibly with DP missiles to Israel and European countries targetted. It would involve many countries.
    On the other hand if Irna gets the bomb it would be worse , so it must be stopped before, possibly without a war. The situation reminds me of Munich in 1938....
     

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