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Is this the "Amber Room" stolen by Nazis?

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  1. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    I'll withhold judgment, but I have suspicions about these kinds of "finds".
     
  3. Skipper

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    Same for me. I would need more proof as rabbit get out of hats a bit too often those days.
     
  4. thesapper

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    iv'e somehow got my doubts, finding the amber room now would be almost like the holy grail but i hope his right
     
  5. Kai-Petri

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    It´d be great to see the real one found but.... I just love the last sentence of the article:

    "If they don't find it here, they'll look elsewhere.'
     
  6. Heinrich

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    Might be someone now reads this article on his laptop , peeks out of the guilded doubleglazed front of his million dollar penthouse and now realises what this guy he sees for years hanging around that old WW2 bunker on the other side of the street is doing . And he would smile and light up a good Cuban cigar and pours himself a scotch ...'You keep digging my friend ..keep digging ' he's thinking ..
    Then he turns away ,picks up a towel and is already thinking about the nice and long relaxing bathsession in his beautifull amber bathroom he's going to have .. Ahh He just loves Kalinnigrad ..:D:D:D

    (eggs and sausage in the amber kitchen later)
     
  7. Keystone Two-Eight

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    Hmmm, I believe "Geraldo Rivera' тайна s Al Capone' свод s " is the correct way to say "Geraldo Rivera's Mystery of Al Capone's Vault" in Russian.......
     
  8. White Flight

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    Hey that's pretty funny. A flash back to good ol Geraldo and his vault of Capone fill dirt.
     
  9. brndirt1

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    Hey, let's be fair here! I think the great Geraldo mission came away with two broken beer bottles, and part of an old shoe heel. None from the proper time-period it seemed. It wasn't ALL fill dirt, but the dirt was the only contents from the Capone time-frame.:D:D
     
  10. luketdrifter

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    I remember watching that with my dad...he said what might be the funniest thing I have ever heard him utter. "Take that you son of a..." I'll let you finish but he went to bed with a distinct smile on his face that night. It was almost as if Rivera had wronged him or something...it was epic.
    On the topic...I think if this guy was serious about thinking he may have found one of the most impressive treasures since Nick Cage, he'd keep it to himself until he actually could show it to the world. I wish him good luck, from a guy who has spent countless hours searching old lumber camp sites in the hopes of finding a lost pay box!
     
  11. Sloniksp

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    I too have my doubts, but such a find if truly uncovered....
     
  12. C.Evans

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    I wonder why all the hubbub on this especially when the guy has no proof that the Amber Room is there? I think that's jumping the gun more than a little bit. :panic:
     
  13. luketdrifter

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    Everybody wants their 15 minutes...'cept me. I want 20.
     
  14. Volga Boatman

    Volga Boatman Dishonorably Discharged

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    The "Amber Room" almost certainly went to the bottom of the Baltic as part of the cargo on the KDF Cruise liner "Wilhelm Gustloff"....or so the story goes!

    I say return it to the Russian people if found, but so many have already drawn a blank on this one that his chances of success are around the square root of pi....

    Memories of Geraldo and the Vault of Al Capone are even more amusing....

    The LEAST INTERESTING LIVE TV SHOW

    In April 1986 the WGN TV station got a scoop. Amidst much ballyhoo they announced that they were going to unseal Al Capone's secret vault beneath the Lexington Hotel, Chicago. It was said to contain hoards of missing money, diamonds, whiskey and the bones of those who had 'upset' him.
    Entitled 'The Mystery of Al Capone's Vaults', the two hour live show was hosted by an excited reporter who wore an excavation helmet and a large fighter pilot's mustache. "I am Geraldo Rivera and you're about to witness a live television event", he gasped. "Now for the first time that vault is going to be opened live. This is an adventure you and I will take together."
    The show was syndicated across the whole of America and there was a carnival like atmosphere with hundreds celebrating at an 'Al Capone Safe Cracking Charity Ball'. Also in attendance was a small army of law enforcement officials, reporters, Internal Revenue agents, members of the Federal Treasury, claiming that Capone still owed them $800,000 and criminal technicians who were there gathering evidence.
    To add an air of authenticity to the production, Rivera demonstrated the use of a prohibition era Thompson sub-machine gun and detonated a dynamite blast using a Capone style plunger.
    Tension mounted as an explosives team arrived. After an hour and a half of blasting through the walls the dust settled and the cameras went in accompanied by Dr Robert Stein, the county Medical Examiner, who was on hand in case mummified bodies were found.
    The vault contained two empty gin bottles, so Geraldo filled in the time by singing 'Chicago'.....
     
  15. Volga Boatman

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    More on the Amber Room.....

    Extract from "The Cruellest Night"....Page 205....

    "In 1941, with the Germans advancing on Leningrad, preparations were made to ship the Amber Room to the safety of the underground vaults in Sverdlovsk in the Urals. But the Russians were too late. They got two trainloads of treasures safely away but the Amber Room itself was not dismantled in time and it fell into the greedy hands of Erich Koch. He had it shipped to Konigsberg early in 1942 where it was set up and restored by Dr Alfred Rohde, director of the Prussian Fine Arts Museum and one of the world's leading authorities on amber. Koch then issued orders that entry to the room should be restricted. But one man who was allowed to see the room in the summer of 1943 reported; "The panels seemed in almost perfect condition. On entering, I was given a booklet which related the long history of the Amber Room, claiming that it was, properly speaking, a German possession, now at last restored to it's rightful owners." But, by the end of 1943, Bomber Command had started to pay attention to Konigsberg, so Rohde dismantled the Amber Room and stored the panels in a cellar.
    He regarded this as a temporary measure but eventually he was ordered to load the amber into 24 strongboxes suitable for "long transportation." In a note dated January 12th, 1945, eighteen days before the 'Wilhelm Gustloff' sailed, he wrote; "I am packing the Amber Study in boxes and other containers on the orders of the provincial custodian. As soon as this is done, I shall evacuate the panels to Wechselburg, near Rochlitz in Saxony."
    The packing was completed on January 15th and the strongboxes were piled in the castle yard. And from that moment all trace of the contents of the Amber Room has vanished.
    The amber did not arrive in Wechselburg. Rohde and his wife died mysteriously in late 1945, leaving no indication of what happened to it. Some think that it was buried in the cellars of Konigsberg Castle, or in a bunker which has now been built over. Others believe it lies 2,145 feet down a flooded salt mine near the West German university town of Gottingen.
    Dr Georg Stein, who devotes himself to recovering treasures looted by the Germans during the war, is a supporter of the salt-mine theory. His evidence is a coded telex message sent to Berlin in January 1945 and signed "Ringel SS Group North East Konigsberg, Prussia". It says, "Amber Room, operation completed, object is stored in B. Sch. W.V." Stein thinks this refers to B shaft at a salt mine twelve miles from Gottingen known as Wittekind Vollpriehausen - the W.V. of the coded telex. Nobody has been able to test the theory because the mine was flooded after anexplosion in September 1945, when it was being used as a dump for unwanted ammunition by the British Army.
    But, there is another explanation of the coded telex. "Sch" is not only short for shaft. It is also short for "Schiffsraum" or hold. Therefore, accepting that there could have been a substitution of one letter, V for G, in the coding, the message could have meant; "Object is stored in B Hold on the Wilhelm Gustloff."
    Nobody can prove that the Amber Room is lying at the bottom of the Baltic. It is certain, however, that the last time it was seen was in the castle yard, a few days before the 'Wilhelm Gustloff' sailed. We know that Erich Koch was desperately anxious to keep it out of Russian hands - he despatched a Field Marshal to escort it from Leningrad. And we know that nobody has admitted to seeing it since the liner went down.
    The Russians searched for the Amber Room after the war and found no trace of it. Some years ago there were reports that the Poles, believing that it had been put on the 'Wilhelm Gustloff' - which rests in Polish waters - were thinking of mounting an underwater expedition to find it. But no serious exploration ofg the wreck appears to have been carried out.
    The fate of the Amber Room, one of the world's most extraordinary treasures, remains a mystery....."
     
  16. Richard

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    Hmm...

    I am not going for it.
     
  17. C.Evans

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    You can have my 5 ;-))
     
  18. C.Evans

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    Speaking of the W/Gustloff, I have a cap tally from that ship.

    Geraldo Rivera is a weenie wierdo. Look at his latest crap about Haiti. I USED to like he and his show and back in the day when the Geraldo show was on-we were always glued to watching it. Now I can't stand anything about the guy-alos recently making a big deal out of having his beard shaved off :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
  19. Volga Boatman

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    What is a 'cap tally' exactly, and how in the name of John Wayne's ass did you get a piece of it?.....sorry, it's just a line from "City Slickers" that has always appealed to me, and with your avatar, I couldn't resist trotting it out! (he he!)
     
  20. Heinrich

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    The Wilhelm Ghustlov was extensively searched long ago by the Soviets ,there were shown images on Nat Geograpic a few years ago of the badly damaged Ghustlov lying on the bottom ,the wreck was opened and semi scuttled on the side to give entrance to the inner ships hull ,obvious evidence of a pretty massive breakopen operation . Huge damages were visible .If the 'room' was on board I suppose the world would have heard about its recovery a long while ago .
     

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