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me 262 in japan,?

Discussion in 'Air Warfare' started by me262 phpbb3, Feb 7, 2006.

  1. me262 phpbb3

    me262 phpbb3 New Member

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    does anybody knows anything about some me 262 that were send to japan, aboard u-boot or i-boat?
     
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    yep heard the same including a japanese copy, fairly late .there was also the delivery of special ammo (20mm, electric fired ?)for one of their plane
     
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    Hi.

    There were two Me-262-like japanese aircraft projects:

    The first one was the Nakajima Kikka (orange blossom). In summer 1944 some photographs and few blueprints of the Me 262 reached Japan and the Navy decided to build a short range ground attack aircraft with these informations. At this time Japan had developed several types of jet engines with a little help from Germany like the Tsu-11 (200 kg thrust). None of the avaliable engines was found acceptable. In late 1944 a japanese engineer was able to bring some photographs of the BMW 003 jet engine to Japan and immediately a japanese version was built and further developments lead to more powerful versions.

    Another project based on the Me 262 was the Ki-201, a enlarged fighter version of the german model. As the Army decided to give the Ki-200 and its successor, the Ki-202, priority the first flight of the Ki-202 was planned for December 1945.

    AFAIK no sample of the Me-262 reached Japan.

    Any corrections?

    Yours

    tom!
     
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    It was fortunate for the Allies that Japan never managed to get any jets into mass production. Imagine 500 mph kamikazes! <shudder> :eek:
     
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    The first"Yanagi" trade was delivered to Orient in August 1942, by the I-30.
    It consisted of 1,500 kg of mica and 660 kg of shellac. Mica was used for
    capacitors and the shellac for military munitions. In return for the mica and
    shellac, the Germans loaded the I-30 with a mass of naval equipment: a
    U-boat torpedo fire control system & five G7a torpedoes, three G7e torpedoes,
    Bolde sonar deflector equipment, a new search radar, a Metox, a hydrophone
    array, 50 Enigma code machines, rocket & glider bombs. anti-tank guns, a
    Zeiss anti-aircraft fire-control system, 200 20 mm anti-aircraft guns, a Warzburg
    air defense ground radar with blueprints and an assortment of other cargo,
    including one million yen in uncut diamonds.


    The I-8 was the second "Yanagi" sub to be ordered to conduct underwater
    mission to occupied France. She left Kure, Japan on 6/1/1943 carrying a cargo
    consisting of Wolfram and other scarce metals, two Type 95 torpedoes, Type 95
    torpedo tubes, Japanese reconnaissance aircraft. When I-8 arrived in Penang on
    6/6/43, additional cargo was taken aboard, consisting of raw rubber in bales, tin
    and quinine. She departed for France on 7/8/10143 and arrived at Brest on 8/31/43.
    On 10/6/1943 the I-8 departed Brest with a Yanagi cargo including six of the latest
    German machine guns w/ammunition, aircraft bombsights & naval navigation
    equipment, several 20 mm Flakvierling 38 anti-aircraft guns, the latest German
    electric torpedoes and much-needed penicillin.


    On 4/27/1943 the U-180 met the I-29 at sea and took on a torpedo tube containing
    a gun barrel of unspecified type with accompanying ammunition, a case of
    documents & blueprints of of the latest German military designs for weapons,
    aircraft and submarines. The I-29 transferred three 21-inch Model #2 aerial
    torpedoes, some 1.3 tons of the latest Japanese weapons and blueprints (including
    blueprints of ethe aircraft carrier Akagi\, which the Germans wished to use during
    the construction of their own aircraft carrier Graf Zeppelin, A Type-A midget submarine
    of the type recently used in the attacks on Pearl Harbor, half a ton of documents, mail
    and drawings from the German Embassy in Tokyo, an d several cases containing
    valuable quinine. They delivered three Kaiten Type 1 suicide torpedoes to the Germans.
    Finally, 146 large cases were securely stowed aboard U-180; cases containing 2 tons THE
    of gold ingots which were destined for the Japanese Embassy in Berlin.


    On 12/16/1943, the I-29 set out for France loaded with 80 tons of rubber, 80 tons of tungsten.
    50 tons of tin. 2 tons of zinc and mixed 3 tons of quinine, opium and coffee. She arrived at
    Lorient on 3/11/1944. On 4/16/1944, the I-29 set sail for Japan, having taken aboard a cargo
    consisting of the very latest German radar technology, including radar apparatus, radar
    detectors, and jamming equipment. More Bolde were loaded aboard, along with ten Enigma
    code machines and the usual medicines such as stocks of opium and quinine. Also taken
    aboard was a V-1 Flying Bomb fuselage, TMC acoustic mines, bauxite and a mercury-
    radium amalgam. Also carried aboard were blueprints of the latest German jet aircraft, the
    Messerschmitt ME-163 Komet and ME-262 jet interceptor, an HWK 509A-1 rocket motor
    from an ME-163 Komet, a Jumo 004B rocket engine from a ME-162, as well as photos of the
    BMW-003 axial-flow turbojet, which became the basis for the Japanese NE-20 engine. She
    reached Singapore on 714/1944 and on 7/22/110944 she departed for Kure, Japan. On
    7/26/1944, the American submarine USS SAWFISH sank the I-29. The German aircraft that
    were stowed the I-29 were lost, helping to slow the development of effective jet aircraft by
    the Japanese.


    The last Kinagi sub, the I-52, was sunk with its valuable cargo and all hands by a Grumman
    Avenger aircraft from the USS BOGUE on 6/24/1944.


    The U-234 was the last German sub to attempt a supply run to Japan, but surrendered to
    the U.S. and was escorted to Portsmouth, NH on 5/16/1945. All her cargo was confiscated.

    as you can see no me 262 or 163 ever reached japan
     
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    thanks Me262 ,that's cool imagine the state of mind of the sub skipper
    having all this top secret stuff on board , some stress .

    as for 500mph kamikaze

    Yokosuka MXY-Ohka cherry blossom model 11 and model 22
    nicknamed "Baka"( the fool )
    span 5m , length 6m weights 2140kg loaded
    carried by a mitsubishi G4M "betty" lauched 50miles from the target the
    pilot would glide at 290mph (466 kph)then using 3 solid fuel rockets
    electricaly ignited for the grand final
    made of wood and very cheap the mdl 11 had 1200kg of high explosive
    in the nose ,755 were delivered
    getting within 50 miles in 44 was fantasy a few made it to the target
    it got the navy really nervous
     

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