Obamalama ?? Help me understand

O.k. so I see threads about kids singing this song, Very heated responses...


"promises and the good times with a good side order of yea man he is the man!
Result: illusion and washout. " sums it up for me nicely.


I'm not American, but I've lost faith in my government. But can anyone one explain to a beginner politic what your all talking about?
I thought "everyone" loved Obama...

No Clint I'm not a Lefty, and i'm not a right winger, so convince me...
...maybe I've bitten off more than i can chew here.. feel free to vent

 

Obama is a politician. He in my personal view is therefore like all politicians. I wouldnt give him the time of day no matter what party he represents. Nor George Bush, Tony Blair or Margaret Thatcher..Have I missed anyone..

 

The American spirit, at least in the ideal, has created an individualism which many believe is Constitutionally protected. Since our founding there has been a tension between those who would give more power to the feds (dems) and those who think the Constitution "leaves" it to the states(reps). We are in a cycle where power is being concentrated to the federal government as witnessed by the takeover of banks, auto companies, health care(attempted), education, etc. Obama's past, at least what has been revealed and that's not much, has shown a severe tilt toward the left where many expect the government to attempt more takeover. Perhaps you noticed the praises coming from the likes of Chavez, Castro, Gadahfi... Not exactly freedom loving dictators. This ebb and flow between left and right has been going on for a long time and much of that time there has been a political mix in our government which constrains any side from taking too much power. Not right now. The far left is in control of both the house and senate, and the White house. Our Supreme court is narrowly balanced. The US people are politically split in two. Obama won by a large margin electorally because of Bush backlash and dislike of McCain from the right but the people are pretty close to a 50/50 split. Hence the discomfort from conservatives who are finally getting some balls and voicing their opinions in a strong way.

The individual spirit has served us well over the past 200+ years. We like the land of opportunity. The left likes a land of equality and that can only be forced. Children singing for our "dear leader" invokes too many visions of the taking of that freedom as in socialist societies led by Mao, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Chavez.............

The man, in my opinion is an empty suit. I challenge anyone to tell me what relevant bills he wrote and passed in state congress or our Senate.

 

Gordon Brown.

 

I agree and that is when he looked like winning, which he did.

 

who...

 

I'm neither a "supporter nor detractor", I'm a "wait and see" kind-a-guy. Give him the chance to succeed or fail, I didn't think much of Bush the second, but I didn't really get down on my President until about 1/3 of the way into his second term. By then his failings were too obvious to ignore, but I held my tongue as he was still our President, whether I liked him or not.

I doubt I will call that a venting, but that is my position. I don't yet have any idea what the final verdict will be on anything, be it the stimulus or health care reform. The latter doesn't yet exist, and only about 1/4 of the former has even worked its way through the system so far. How can one judge what a 1/4 of something will be in the end? That fourth (approx.) has been dispersed to the states, but an even smaller amount has been applied to the projects in reality. Here in Montana we have managed to get about 70% of our projects started this summer, but that leaves about a third still hanging fire for lack of complete planning in the application of the funds.

So, for myself it is a "wait and see", then judge spot. I'll know more nearer the end of this term. I didn't think much of Bush at the end of his first, but no where near the distaste I developed in his second.

 

Big Scottish dope who is hooked on pain killers.

 

I am with Clint on this one. I don't like the guy's agenda, thus far. I think he is picking up the tab for a lot of the previous administration's (Bush, Clinton et al) laisse faire practices.

I said in another post that Obama will either be an amusing anecdote or a cautionary tale; in either case he will most likely not be a two term President.

Why he gets so much "air time" on this forum is a mystery to me.

Brad

 

Well said especially Jeff, Ted, Clint, Brad,

I didn't NOT vote for OLDD because of his skin color-I WOULD vote for a person with the same-if I felt that person could do the job and one who had more than just 3 years experiance. I have always felt that OLDD was dangerously inexpeianced-so far, hes proven that to me. SOme of the things that sealed that for me, is that hes apoligising for American on many things and things that deserve NO apoligies made.

The guy in drastically undermining not only our security, but our Intelligenece Agencies, our ecopnomy because he thinks it best to keep spending instead of not spending, and he's effecting our Morale.

I don't like him as a politician, however, I do feel that I could like him as an average everyday Citizen. One thing that is minor but still rips my craw, is that he is always happy to make it known that he is black. OK, im fine with that but--wouldn't it be much better to not say that but to say that he's proud to be-an American. IF he did that? that would take a huge leap forwards towards race relations. However, he's elected to NOT do that, and also elected to NOT acknowledge his Caucasion background.

I too feel he will be a 1 termer. I said before, that I would vote for a black or hispanic-Indian etc person, if I felt that person was the best candidate for th position. In his case, I feel the man is WAY too inexperianced for the job, and its constantly being proven. Had Condoleeza Rice ran for Pres-I would hav evoted for her in a heartbeat. Oh an-yes, she share part of the same heritage as OLDD does.

ATTENTION::::: The word NOT, was edited in because I had NOT noticed that it had NOT been included into my original posting. Sometimes many keys stick on my keyboard and YES, sometimes entire words do NOT post when I want them to do so.

 

I am hoping beyond all hopes that I read that incorrectly.
Because as it reads you either voted for Obama based on his political standing, or you chose not to vote for him based on his ethnicity.

I feel a trip to the cooler is in my near future.

 

Okay..........just figured I would make sure. I was hoping I read it incorrectly.

I am glad that Carl's vote was not influenced by skin color.

 

It is read incorrectly because I did not add that that his skin color was NOT the reason why I didnt vote for him. I meant to add in there another word-which will be added soon as I finsih posting this reply. My computer keys stick and yes-sometimes entire words do not post. I simply had NOT seen that until just this visit.

 

Thank you Jeff.

Brad, beieve it or not-im no racist ;-)) In fact, I absolutely hate racists much more than the average every day criminal ;-))

I don't know if you may have seen me post that I would indeed vote for a person who is not Caucasion-such as Condoleeza Rice-had she decided to run for Pres. I like her and besides that, she is a great Piano player ;-))

One person who I THINK might be thinking of running in 2012-is the Gov of Louisiana Bobby something or another-can't think of his last name at the moment but--he is an American of Indian descent-not the kind that used to wear feather bonnets, but the ones that come from the Country of India ;-)) I like this guy alot, and I think he would bring class back to the White House. He's got my vote if he runs? In fact, i'd love to see he and Rice run on a ticket together.

 

I tried to PM you regarding that; but, as usual your PM's were full. I knew there had to be something missing as neither option appeared to be in keeping with your personality.

I was never concerened that you were a racist.

 

Hi Jeff, thank you for his last name ;-)) I had been thinking it started with a "V" but couldn't remember ;-)) Your right though, he is a good man.

Hi Brad and thank you as well ;-)) Sorry about the PM thing but I get lots of traffic there and have to delete almost daily ;-)) In fact, I think im running at 99% full already-and just a day or so ago, I had deleted I guess about 30 or so PMs ;-)) Anyway, im going there before I leave today to delete more.

Take care--Carl.

PS, speaing of racists... I remember about some 23 years ago, a guy with the last name of Duke-or Dukes?? or something similar? had two large trailors that he had placed in the median between the lanes of Highway 77, that runs past my hometown. This dork displayed flags of all-kinds and sadly-along with those crap flags, it flew the Confederate Battle flag, and the American flag with them. Those other flags had swastikas on them or a form of them and Runes, and other stuff one of which was a white flag that had a naked black man on it who was running. Well, it was called a running _____r target and also had a series of rings printed over the figure along with points.

Well, I was 18 at the time, and curious to see what this turd had on display in both of its huge trailers. So, I went in with a few friends of mine just to see what was what? and was absolutely disgusted at the garbage that those "its" (all are "its" in my book) had for sale. I found nothing funny about any of the sickening litereature that those its had for sale-including how to join the kkk and other supremist groups.

My friends and I were each given three of those running _____r targets as we walked out the door after spending about 2 or 3 minutes in the first trailer-never going to the 2nd one. Well, as I walked out the trailer door, I took all three targets and ripped them into several pieces, and threw them on the trailers wooden deck floor. My friends Ed, Greg and Allison, all did the same. As we did that, we were called race sell-outs. We got in my car, all of us flipped them the one fingered and I sped the heck away from that creepy place.

Why they were there in the first place was that the dork in charge was going to run for Gov of the State of Texas. Needless to say, they spent I think about 2 months at that location before the Sheriff of Kleberg County - very openly and publicly-ran them out of town. It was on all the local News channels for a few days and I thought that was rather funny, at how they were forced to pack up quickly and to leave. They left under the watchful eyes of a few Deputies and some State Police and I guess an FBI agent or two. I THINK they tried to set up shop near Corpus Christi, but the Nueces County Sheriff already warned them to not set up anywhere in his County. After that, I don't know what rock they slithered back under. Last I heard anything about that head dork, (a few years ago) was that I think it was going to prison because of some racial crime(s) it had committed??? not sure??

 

That was probably David Duke Carl. He's from Louisiana too, but he's an idiot.