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Rudolf Hess

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  1. Ironcross

    Ironcross Dishonorably Discharged

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    interesting reading
     
  3. Ironcross

    Ironcross Dishonorably Discharged

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    "Why don't they release me? Why must I suffer so? I alone tried to bring about peace in the world and for this I must stay here the longest. It is not right. It is not just! All I want is to go home and die in peace and be buried in the garden. "-Hess in Spandau Prison
     
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    I was a member of the US Army, Berlin from 1987-1989. I never served on 'Spandu Guard' {as it was known}, but I knew several of the guys that had.

    A very interesting read.
     
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    Quite interesting. I know what I'll be keeping an eye out for in 2017!
     
  6. Neon Knight

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    well, i wouldn't define the article as "interesting". i wolud rather say it is "funny". it contains the joke of the century:

    "These were Hess' proposals:
    One: ....Germany would not attack Russia to secure German Lebensraum ["living space"]."
    :lol:

    and Hess expected churchill to believe this??? churchill already knew about barbarossa... churchill was more informed on hitler's plans than hess himself!

    it looks as if all nazis suffered the same problem: totally out of touch with reality!

    poor little son (of hess), i don't blame him, his attempt to portrait his father as a peacemaker is quite comprehensible. it must be diffucult to carry on such a heavy legacy.

    unfortunately he doesn't realize that his article only makes Hess to seem even more idiot then previously thought.
     
  7. 18mile

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    Hess was ok as far as I'm comcerned. He wanted peace and got screwed. Heck, he was a prisoner before any so-called crimes even were supposed to have happened. It would ge nice to have his son set the record straight.
     
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    He got screwed? Was in prison before any of the "so called crimes supposed to have happnd"?

    This is a joke right?
     
  9. 18mile

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    No.
     
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    Well then I must respectfully ask you to elaborate on this interesting opinion.
     
  11. Neon Knight

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    more fun from Hess! at nurbemberg trial he was superb....

    "Hess was considered to be the most mentally unstable of all the defendants. He would be seen talking to himself in court, counting on his fingers, laughing for no obvious reason. Such behaviour was a source of great annoyance to Göring, who made clear his desire to be seated apart from him. The request was denied." (wikipedia)

    i would pay everything to see the face of big hermann in court!!
     
  12. 18mile

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    Elaborate? You are the one who seems to disagree. How so?
     
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    Now now Boys, play nice. Where is Za when you need him.
     
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    Why bump off a 96 old man? Who has to gain from it? I'm not interested in conspiracy's
     
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    Very well....

    Hess was third in line in the Nazi party trailing only Goring. Everything done by the Nazi's up to the eve of Barbarrosa Hess had full knowledge of and a willingness to participate it. The "Aryan Code" was something which he believed in very much and played a prominent role in the creation of the Nuremburg Race Laws.

    The lack of sympathy or remorse for the nations conquered by a Government of which he was 3rd in line with presented a serious problem for the victims of his glorious Reich. His intensions of further widening the conflict with proposals for Great Britain joining Germany in the war with Russia also sat uneasy.

    Are these not crimes for which he should be in jail for?
     
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    Huh? Did I miss something?
     
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    ok.......well he wasn't talking about peace in this 1934 speech!!!


    In 1934, Hess gave a revealing speech stating - "With pride we see that one man remains beyond all criticism, that is the Führer. This is because everyone feels and knows: he is always right, and he will always be right. The National Socialism of all of us is anchored in uncritical loyalty, in the surrender to the Führer that does not ask for the why in individual cases, in the silent execution of his orders. We believe that the Führer is obeying a higher call to fashion German history. There can be no criticism of this belief."



    But then later when he parachuted into Scotland......

    Hess wanted to convince the British Government that Hitler only wanted Lebensraum for the German people and had no wish to destroy a fellow 'Nordic' nation. He also knew of Hitler's plans to attack the Soviet Union and wanted to prevent Germany from getting involved in a two-front war, fighting the Soviets to the east of Germany, and Britain and its allies in the west.
    During interrogation in a British Army barracks, he proposed that if the British would allow Nazi Germany to dominate Europe, then the British Empire would not be further molested by Hitler. He insisted that German victory was inevitable and even threatened that the British people would be starved to death by a Nazi blockade around the British Isles unless they accepted his generous peace offer.
    But Hess also displayed signs of mental instability to his British captors and they concluded he was half mad and represented only himself. Churchill, realizing this, and somewhat infuriated by his statements, ordered Hess to be imprisoned for the duration and treated like any high ranking POW.


    (taken from historyplace.com, hess biography)


    So I'm not sure where the "peace" idea you got came from. I am a novice at this and just researched online for about 30 minutes and came up with about 1000 sites that basically say the same thing as what I posted here, so please let me know where you got your information from.

    Thanks!!

    sorry for the long post!;)
     
  20. Neon Knight

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    his story is about an unstable and frustrated man who wanted to show off with hitler, he wanted to reverse his declining career with a spectacular action.

    what is most interesting is to speculate on hitler's thoughts. here's my personal theories (bases just on my fantasy :))

    - despite his complete lack of strategy, hitler was aware that a peace with britain was unrealistic. too many things had happened in the last 12 months: BoB, the blitz, north africa, battle of atlantic and crete about to come in days. in fact in may'41 britain and nazi were already fighting a total war.

    - we know that hitler was informed on hess flight. So why did he let him go??? certainly hitler had the power and means to stop him. but instead he let him go.

    - hitler was about to launch barbarossa and probably wanted to try his last attempt to get the british joining his crusade. so despite been skeptical, hitler gave hess green light for his mission: why not trying? if it goes wrong we'll say that he was mad (and if fact he was!!).

    - someone persuaded hitler that it was worth trying, and that losing hess was not such a big disgrace for the reich. someone with a great influence on hitler, someone very skilled in manouvreing people from the dark, someone who would get personal gains from hess departure.

    that's him: B O R M A N N

    what do u think??? :cool:
     

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