Russian Land Battleships?

World History | The Russian land battleship - KV-VI Behemoth tank |

Just thought this would be interesting if it is real or not, does anyone else have any more information??

A piece of the cake:

One of the most fascinating of these was the KV-VI Behemoth. In July 1941, Stalin learned of a single KV-II that had held off the entire 6th Panzer Division for more than a day. With the incredible success of this single tank, Stalin ordered a crash program for a land battleship based on the KV-II design.

It was to have three turrets and be very heavily armed and armored and able to defend itself against all types of attack.

The project was given to the joint team of Kotin/Barkov. When the designers complained to Stalin that the insistence on three turrets made the vehicle too long to have an acceptable turning radius, Stalin's answer was: "It doesn't need to turn, it will drive straight to Berlin."

 

Its pure fantasy LOL.

 

Thats too bad

Regardless, its a hilarious concept.

 

One of true Soviet "Landships" The T-35.


And the other. The T-28.

 

which both were complete failures :rollseyes:

Look cool though. Except looks don't win wars.

 

Thats a spoof, of course!



I myself tried to pass this thing here but had no luck, go figure "Crew: 15 men and one Commissar". Really!

On the other hand you have some real Soviet projects and development vehicles that floundered along the way or were just proof of the concept, like the

SMK

THE RUSSIAN BATTLEFIELD - SMK Experimental Heavy Tank

or the several models in the KV series:
THE RUSSIAN BATTLEFIELD - KV-3, KV-4, KV-5, KV-7, KV-9, KV-220







Thankfully sanity prevailed and Soviet actual in service tanks did look rather 'normal'

 

Looks like something from one of those sci-fi games!

Would be an interesting target for a Stuka though...

 

Perhaps a long, narrow Stuka...

 

a wheeled road battleship is more feasible than a long tracked behemoth. the heaviest load ever carried by a rig in-train is 150 tonnes over a normal highway. that should make a multiple turret design possible. just don't ask me how it's going to shake off swarms of fighter-bombers attacking it during the day.

 

You said the crucial words... "150 tonnes over a normal highway". That makes the monster roadbound only, negating tactical mobility and taking over the entire road while making it unaccessible to other units. Also a long narrow thing like this will have an impossible wide turning radius, again making it tactically unmanoeuverable.

 

I think it looks vulnerable to torpedo attack too.....

 

Ah shame it's fancy.

Could you imagine it though

 

Now if it were made into an armoured train wagon then perhaps it might work

 

well, you could use it much like a roadbound SP gun, with the added capability of fighting tanks at any range. you could use it to pulverize an enemy stronghold at the end of the highway, or to clear an occupied part of the autobahn.

then again, it'll probably need to be escorted by a couple of AFVs, a company of soldiers, and a squadron of low-flying fighters.

 

I think this one qualifiys for the absolutely largest mobile land cannon. Of course mobility is realative. The thing had to be seperated into several train loads to actually move to a new firing position.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/neu.htm

http://user.mc.net/~hawk/biggun.htm

For a single load, ready to fire, system maybe a 21cm or 24 cm railroad gun will qualify.

For a tracked AFV one of these
French assualt monsters fits the bill as biggest built, at least in prototype.

http://www.chars-francais.net/new/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=584&Itemid=69

http://www.chars-francais.net/new/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=723&Itemid=36

 

Road bound.....Autoban only (foot deep cement?).....and only in a straight line.
A couple of swivel joints like that German mine exploder thang. Pull some trailers....all that aint gonna turn without a lot of pain/destruction !

 

With a length / width ratio like that it simply can't turn. The T-35 already suffered from this, it could almost drive straight and deal with gentle turns only. Look at Soviet tanks from the T-55 onwards, seen from top they are almost square.

But as with all What Ifs why should we bother with empty speculation when reality is so much fun? What about that KV-2 that simply sat on a crossroad and held up an entire PzDivision for 3 days in '41 until it was blown up by sappers on a night raid? And there are other examples. Wasn't that capable enough even without the awe facter of the mythical monster of this thread?

 

you could give it an articulating middle like with two 40-foot containers in tandem. that could turn in any "decent" road. have a turret with a 90mm gun on each compartment (plus whatever co-axials or secondary cuppolas you want.) then you could fold the two compartments up to a 90-degree angle and point the "apex" toward the main attack vector.

that won't be a land battleship. it'll be a mobile castle.

now what about those monster machines down in the coal mines back in the 70s? remember big muskie? what military application would a rig like that have? 13,000 tonnes, maximum height of 220 feet, walking legs that propel it 10 meters an hour.

 

Mac, I suppose you'll like some of the vehicles in this link, including our friend that started this discussion:
Real tanks that look like they're from a game (very image-heavy) - RPGnet Forums

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