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Sears lists swastika ring on website

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  1. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    Sears is offering a big apology and pulling this item from its website - a sideways swastika ring for men.

    An Action News viewer in Delaware let us know about this one.

    The item is described as gothic and claims it's "Not for Neo Nazi or any Nazi implication."

    One woman on Facebook posted on Sears' page saying, "Please tell me this is a misunderstanding."

    A Sears Holdings spokesperson responded to us today saying with a statement that reads:

    "The offensive item, which was listed by independent third-parties on Sears Marketplace, violates our guidelines, and was removed as soon as we became aware of its existence on our site. We are contacting the Sellers to strongly voice our concern over their lack of judgment."

    http://6abc.com/business/sears-lists-swastika-ring-on-website/349061/

    Talk about poor taste...
     
  2. A-58

    A-58 Cool Dude

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    And loose monitoring controls. Who's running the asylum?
     
  3. Takao

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    Looks like something Goering would wear....matches the nail-polish....
     
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    A-58 Cool Dude

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    Pinky ring or toe ring?
     
  6. Owen

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    It's a shame that the swastikas image is ruined forever by it's connection to the Nazis.

    Would I be allowed to sell this on the Sears website ?
    Or would people find it offensive too?
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    A-58 Cool Dude

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    A shame yes, but sad but true. Actually Sears usually does not carry surplus state highway department items in their inventory, but anything with a swastika on it would probably be judged to be in poor taste and not well received. Sort of like that black and white striped shirt with the gold six point star on it marketed as a "sheriff's shirt" awhile back that some nimrod thought would be artsy fartsy and a big seller. Just not needed. Plenty other of items and symbols out there to be used that wouldn't thoroughly disgust Jewish folks. Probably one of the reasons the 45th US infantry division dropped the swastika as their unit patch too.
     
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    I'm not offended, just saying Jewish people probably wouldn't warm up to the idea quickly. I could care less about it and not really concerned with what the Finns like. As long as they are happy, I could care less. It's an outdated symbol now to most people, and the first thing that comes to mind when seeing it is Hitler et al and what they stood for. Like it or not, that's the way it comes across at first glance. Might as well try to sell Confederate flags to the NAACP to put in their offices on General Robert E. Lee's birthday. Just ain't going to happen. I'll fly one from my house, but if they don't it won't cause me any grief.
     
  10. CAC

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    Many symbols in time...time smoothes all...soon WW2 will be seen like WW1, which will be seen like the battle of Trafalga or Agencore (sp?)...the symbol will return...it's inherently a human symbol, destined to be repeated whether referenced to this or not...forever is a long time...1000 years is not.
     
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    Dear me...

    The Taj Mahal has swastikas prominently displayed in it's tiling. Now, because the swastika is the modern representation of evil, lets demolish the Taj Mahal,then, shall we? I mean, obviously, the intent behind it was evil to the core, and in poor taste. The Mughal Emperor bankrupted his empire, and ruined the lives of a great host of his subjects, all for the memory of his dead wife. So, evil it must be said to be, and those swastikas just prove it.

    We cannot wipe clean the past by getting rid of everything we find offensive about it. It played it's role, and in the end it's just another inanimate object.

    Alexander The Great was the thug of the ancient world. He made more Greek enemies than any other Greek of this or any other day. Unpopular in his native land, Alexander made as many enemies abroad. To those contemporaries, he was the most evil man of all time. Many still see him this way. Are we to destroy Macedonian artifacts, (circa 323 BC) in an attempt to expunge the alexandrian past? Do we get rid of Napolean's tomb on the same basis?

    They are just objects. If the use they are put to offends, confiscate.

    Destruction simply lowers us to the level of their original users. Complaint about this is so much blather.
     
  12. Poppy

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    Pardon me.
     
  13. Highway70

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    The swastika was the Finnish air force symbol from at least 1919 until 1958 when it was replaced by a blue and white roundel. It was usually blue and oriented differently than the Nazi swastika. The symbol is still used today by the air force and some army units on flags, patches and medals. It has nothing to do wit Nazis.
     
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    Dear you: stop being a knuckle head. Nobody wants to tear down the Taj Mahal and their precious swastikas. The point is that the swastika's image conjures up more than just a few bad memories for Jews and other who had the misfortune of being blessed with Nazi occupation and all that it entails. Do this, go get swastika'ed up and goose-step over to the nearest synagogue and convince them to spread the word to all Jews throughout the world that the swastika really is not a bad thing and they should be ashamed of themselves for not liking it and to be more accepting of ancient passe symbols and their original meaning. Then come back and give us a full report of the meeting's outcome. And nobody is championing the idea of defacing any of the articles you mentioned, or any other ones either. Yes, Alexander and Napoleon were both, for the most part @$$holes, but I really don't think that there are any people still alive to remember their respective reigns of conquest, so your analogy really doesn't pertain to this argument. As CAC alluded to earlier, give it some time, and all will be well. If you live long enough, then you'll be able to run free, painting swastikas on fences, poles, buildings, etc to your heart's content. But for now, just find some other symbol to deface with. At least until all the Jews and people who lived under the Nazis are gone first for the sake of common courtesy.

    There's just some things that you just don't do. Making change in the offering plate at church is one. Going for seconds at a charity dinner is another. And going around sporting a swastika just because it's original meaning was hunkie dorie is another.

    Look, I am the last person on God's green earth that can be described anything remotely "PC" in any description of the term. The way that the perpetually offended types go on and on about what other people do offends them p1$$'s me off to no end. So no, I am not offended by much, except maybe for when really disgustingly morbidly obese fat-azzed women who would need to make two trips to haul ass try to shove their rotundly behemoth celluloided up forms into way too small form fitting clothes and then go prancing around in public like they were little petite vixens and expect people not to be revolted and sickened by said displays of fugliness. Other than that I am good with the world.
     
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    Actually we shouldn't. Islam prohibits depiction of gods, angels, saints, or other religious figures, even Muhammad. That's why in a mosque you'll see lovely artwork, caligraphy, etc. but no portraiture.

    I wouldn't go scraping the swastikas off the Taj Mahal either, but I think new production of the Nazi version of the swastika is uncalled for.

    Alexander or Napoleon didn't do anything that any other leader of a nation wasn't doing or trying to do in their times; they were just more successful. They also made more positive contributions than most conquerors.
     
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    Mea Culpa

    Pardon me.
     
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    I find it interesting and a little strange that this discussion has gotten to this point. We are all educated historians who debate about one thing or another on this forum. This is one topic that should display unanimity. The use of this particular symbol is a no no. Said and done. Regardless of the swastikas origin, it now generates outrage. So be it, who can argue with that. It is what it is.
     
  18. LRusso216

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    I agree with you KJ. The swastika today generates no positive thoughts. Despite its origins as a good luck symbol, today it is forever associated with Nazi thinking. I wish it wasn't so, but it is. Rings and other jewelry depicting the symbol today are hateful reminders of what occurred in those days.
     
  19. CAC

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    give it twenty years and the youth of today wont know who churchill, hitler or what the swastika is..."The swass what?" For a start it should be called something else...that might help with its image...The symbol will prevail as always...its a bloody cross for a start...
     
  20. Owen

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    I'm not & never claimed to be an 'historian' - enthusiastic nerd more like.

    I not sure all the posters on this forum are ''educated'' either.

    :p
     
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