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Size of American Armies

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  1. sk85

    sk85 New Member

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    What was the size of a typical American Army? Did it depend on if the army was in Europe? How many divisions or corps?

    Also can someone list the amount of Armies America created during World War II.

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  2. Stonewall phpbb3

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    Army = 3 corps, with 3 divisions each plus extra unattached battallions and HQ/ logistics groups

    other than airborne divisions, each division has a minimum of 10,000 men

    the 29th infantry (Va /Md national guard ;) ) was 'over stuffed' on D-Day,

    so for D-Day it had 25+ /- thousand men, it could have been 29 thousand

    Including extra attached tank and ranger battalions

    At the end of the war 12.5 Americans were in the military, plus Coasties and Merchant marines


    In WWII the USA had lots (more than others) of unattached units, not in a division..

    Like the "red ball express" transport battallions


    The US 100th Infantry Division in WWII - ... out of an authorized strength of 13688 officers and enlisted men,


    http://www.100thww2.org/100wund.html



    (more or less all from memory)
     
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    Thanks for that info. How meny soldiers were usually in an Army?
     
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    Since an army is made up of 3+ corps which is made up of 3+ divisions plus some additional attached units a reasonable estimate for an army can be anywhere from 150,00 to 300,000 plus men.
     
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    Cool. Good info guys, really interesting. Ty for posting it.

    Tomba
     
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    Composition of armies (and corps) changed constantly, although the model was three corps of three divisions (two infantry and one armored).
    There were four US Armies in North West Europe in 1944-45, First, Third, Seventh and Ninth organized in two Army Groups, the 12th and 6th.


    Corps & Divisions of US Third Army on 28 March, 1945:

    Third Army (XXXX)
    VIII Corps (XXX)
    76th Infantry Division (XX)
    87th Infantry Division
    89th Infantry Division
    4th Armored Division
    XII Corps
    26th Inf Div
    71st Inf Div
    90th Inf Div
    6th Arm Div
    XX Corps
    5th Inf Div
    65th Inf Div
    80th Inf Div
    11th Arm Div

    Base establishment of an infantry division was 14,253 men.
    Base establishment of a (light) armored division was 10,937 men. Neither of the heavy divisions (2nd and 3rd; 14,620 men) served in Third Army. Airborne divisions had 12,979 men (and frequently had a fourth regiment attached).

    The 100th Inf Div link is great!
    An infantry division in the attack usually had attachments of a GHQ tank battalion. Infantry and armored divisions normally had a Tank Destroyer battalion (SP or towed) and an Anti-aircraft battalion (SP or mobile-towed) attached. Chemical mortar battalions were frequently split into companies (12 tubes) and assigned to the divisions. Combat Engineer battalions could be attached at any level. Heavy (90mm) AA Bns and Service engineer battalions would be attached at the army level. Third Army was usually supported by XIX Tactical Air Command.
     
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    That is actually quite a small army. :lol:
     
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    yes, but that .5 guy was really tough :D

    I think he left out the "million" part.
    I have read numbers ranging from 12 million to 16 million Americans in uniform by the end of the war..hard to pin down definite numbers. It may be that the 16 million figure included those who had been in uniform but were now discharged, wounded or dead.
     
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    :D :D :D :D
     
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    well it was

    superman,

    bat man,

    robin,

    the fantastic four,

    clint eastwood,

    john wayne,

    spiderman,

    captain marvel,

    wonder dog


    and a really bitchy half done transvestite from Las Vegas..

    LOL

    :D
     
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    "We'll send them all we've got, John Wayne and Randolph Scott..." :lol:

    Actually I hadn't ever heard of any ideal composition of armies and corps in the US army (or any other for that matter), because in practice it was an ever-changing thing. During the Ardennes Offensive, 10th Corps (1st, then 3rd US Army) counted up to 8 divisions IIRC.
     
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    Which is why I said 3+ rather than assign a particular number. It can vary quite a bit.
     
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    yep,

    I just said three, times three just becuase it was a minimum plus independent units.

    Like it has been pointed out, an infantry divison was 14, 000 men and the 29th had 25k+/- for D-Day.

    3X3X25+ independent units

    200k minimum

    Just being conervative with the numbers...
     
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    It wasn't an ideal, it was the model used for planning and training. As you correctly point out the actual composition varied widely and from day to day. In the Pacific Corps frquently ahd two (or less!) divisions. But the triangular model was the base.
     

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