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  1. Riter

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    Washingmachine Post reports that Pedo Pedro has authorized U-Crane the limited use of long range missiles. I guess the neo-cons want WW III before (and if) the malevolent Orange entity is inaugurated.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/11/17/ukraine-russia-north-korea-atacms/
     
  2. EKB

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    Well someone forgot to tell at least one company from the 33rd NVA Regiment that was engaged in a shoot-out with 4 RAR/NZ, on 21st September 1971. The Battle of Nui Le. Massed firepower was brought to bear against the PAVN troops defending their dug outs, which included substantial U.S. air support:

    “ Just after 1100hr, air observation and pilot reports indicated that D Company had struck a bunker system of considerable size. Indeed it appeared that it was a complex consisting of several linked systems. The OC therefore decided to put maximum air and artillery onto the complex, and then, if and when confirmation was received from the air that the enemy were withdrawing from the system, the company would advance into and through it in pursuit.

    Between 1130hr and 1530hr the bunkers were pounded by successions of Iroquois, Cobras, Pink Teams, Broncos and Phantoms, using pintle-mounted M60s, mini-guns, cannons, rockets and napalm. Hard bombs were not used in the early stages of the battle because of D Company's close proximity to the bunkers. But whenever the aircraft went off-station their place was taken by the guns of 104 Battery, so that the system was subjected to almost continuous bombardment.

    It's worth noting here, in the light of what was to happen later, that throughout the day the aircraft on station over B and D Company totalled seven Cobra teams (two aircraft each), four Pink Teams (three aircraft each), two Dustoff pairs, seven pairs of A37s and four FACS.

    Between them they expended 967 HE rockets, 120 flechette rockets, 5,300 40mm HE rounds, 143,500 mini-gun rounds, 28 pods of napalm and four 500-pound bombs. 9 Squadron RAAF flew sixteen Bushranger sorties, nine Dustoff sorties and five opdems, and expended 115 HE rockets, 79,500 mini-gun rounds and 12,500 M60 rounds. The guns of 104 Battery and A Battery 12 Field Regiment expended a total of 2,074 HE rounds.”


    Jerry Taylor. Last Out: 4 RAR/NZ (ANZAC) Battalion’s second tour in Vietnam (p.216-217).
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    The author was commanding officer of Delta Company and he also wrote that in May 1971, the D445 Provincial Mobile Battalion was given an estimated strength of 159 all ranks, adding that “morale was still high, and D445 was still active and aggressive.” (p.137)
     
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    As a sidenote last year national elections were cancelled in Ukraine, which means that Zelensky was appointed dictator. In South Vietnam with its rigged elections, revolving door of despots, and the military junta likewise shined a spotlight on the hypocrisy of U.S. diplomatic missions.

    The upshot is that any of our imperialistic shitpit client states can try to pass itself off as a democracy, for as long as its leader is willing to take orders from the White House.
     
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    Wish I had an hour to watch and learn something.Could you supply the Cliff notes? Does the author argue the Russian reasoning for Russia to invade a neighboring nation or does it give reasons that justify Ukraines defence of it's sovereignty?
     
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    Innovation from the war are Turtle Tanks. Framework designed to hold metal sheets that would provide distance needed to spare the tank from a shaped charge. Kinda looks like Colorado's Killdozer. Here's Colorado home-grown vehicle from decades ago:



    Turtle Tanks:



    Since the turrets can no longer rotate, it might be cheaper to build a modern sturmgeschutz/jagdpanzers/Su-85 or Su-100s/Swedish S Tank. It might also be cheaper to build a fake tank with an external metal framed shell with faux gun barrel over a tractor. The vehicle would be used to lure drone operators so they can be droned. Think of it as the cardboard tank dummies over kubelwagens that Rommel used.

    Like battleships, tanks may be obsolete. Costly and so vulnerable.
     
  8. CAC

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    Armoured vehicles will still be needed.. and why not put a gun onto it? Aaaand...you're back at having tanks. Ukraine says most of these dont work as the drone can be flown into the spaces not covered...
     
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    '73 War of Atonement the Soviet suggested to the Arabs that since the Israelis are prone to charge, let them run into a Sagger ATGM nest. It worked until the Israelis figured out how to take out the SAM sites and then overwatch to suppress the firer fo the ATGM (throw off their aim). Modernly the Israelis lost a lot of tanks to sandal wearing fighters who run up and place a charge on the Merkava. Where is the infantry support needed for built up areas? That was a lesson learned from WW II.

    Drone operators need to be taken out such that drones can't attack tanks. If there's no DEW (directed energy weapon), jamming system, drone-operator suppression (like another drone dropping a boom-boom on him), what place would a tank have if it can't expose itself without being blown to bits?

    Be cheaper to lose tracked AFV (infantry carriers) or even obsolee ones just to get the drone operaators to expend their ammunition and to expose themselves. '73 War the Israelis looked for the SAM radar sites/vehicles aand took them out to enable their fighters to operate and provide air cover. War is always changing. Why can't everybody agree to go back to Napoleonic War with muskets and smoothbore cannons?
     
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    The anti drone movement is growing...these tanks need better radar to include small objects travelling (faster than a bird) - They need a "small" energy weapon or a scatter gun (shot gun) that is automatic slaved to the radar (much like a phallanx or goal keeper) but smaller. Heavier armour (theres only so much charge you can put into a current drone.) And even anti drone drones...being developed now and have even been used in the battle field - These should be attatched to the "mother tank" - Used for surveillance, close tank security, to push targets into the open and anti drone use. Again these can be flown from inside the tank or be semi autonomous, slaved to the onboard radar.
    This, i believe would extend the life and usefulness of tanks on the battle field.
    If we are talking about a conflict like Afghanistan or Vietnam drones wold have a limited effect on the enemy as they "live underground and in caves" - A new drone would be developed for this...Snicker snicker.
     
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    I'm thinking super-carriers are obsolete too.
    Bring back the cheaper MAC (merchant aircraft carrier).

    ETA: Moscow says xix US missiles were launched and that five were (claimed) shot down.



    Just another step closer to growing mushrooms everywhere. Joy. :mad:
     
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    DANGER: UK StormShadow Missile Strike INSIDE Russia!

    Nine minute video from Tim Davies; former RAF fighter pilot who flew the Panavia Tornado and was in the navy before that.
    One of my go-to YouTube channels about the current political climate in the UK.

     
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    Just learned that the US Embassy in Kyiv has been closed. Technical Difficulties

    War makes for great reading, but it sucks and should be avoided. Our current administration keeps needling the rooskies to goad them into war. I hope we don't get Weltkrieg drei.
     
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    Hmmm…Is it goading them into a war, or making it clear to Putin that the US and maybe NATO are serious…I think this war started because Putin believed that NATO had no appetite for war ( for a number of reasons) and that the US would not want to become embroiled in a European war…(sound familiar?)
    It’s a tight rope to walk along…Don’t start anything but make it clear you are not bluffing. I’ve always found the best bluff is to actually be up for it…

    Big call: If the nuclear missiles are let loose, I’d put 20 bucks on the US to be the first to throw them…(based on intel)
     
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    Once again we have U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham reminding us about the real reasons why the United States has interest in the Ukraine. SPOILER ALERT: has nothing to do with democracy or global security! In the most blatant and crass way possible, Graham makes it clear that the treasure in the ground of Ukraine belongs to himself and corporate thieves that he works for.

    01 - Lindsey Graham wants to exploit mineral resources in Ukraine (9 June 2024).jpeg


    02 - Lindsey Graham - Ukraine will fight to the last person.jpg
    1.8K views · 54 reactions | Senator Lindsey Graham, who has been up to his tits in Ukraine since 2016....... | By Call for a revolution in Ireland | Facebook
     
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    War started b/c American neocons wanted to use Ukraine to bleed Russia. If a nation is weakened and falls prey to internal strife, outsiders can buy the resources cheap. This is the model for Africa/Latin America. Remember Lindsey Graham in a moment of honest admitted that the West had to deny the resources under Crimea from the Russians. Soros and the US State Dept. (Herr Hitlery w/assistance of fellow neocon Victoria Nuland) help stage the Orange Revolution (both organize color revolutions to promote regime change) that overthrew Yanukovich. Yushenko came to power briefly before being replaced by Poroshenko.

    More background. When the Warsaw Pact was broken up, the West promised Gorbachev that Nato would not move one inch closer. Today all former Warsaw Pact nations belong to NATO including the Baltic States. Red line! Then the 2015 Minsk Agreement ensured Russia that Ukraine would remain neutral. All those presidential removals cited above graduallly moved Ukraine into the western influence. Merkyl admitted thaat Minsk was BS meaant only to buy time.

    Now throw in the election of the disputed region/some oblasts to join Russia followed by the slaughter of Russians in Ukraine; this prompted Putin to war.

    Ukraine is not a democracy. Remember the Church was closed and elections suspended. Z-man wants to creaate a new homeland for the perpettual victims.

    He can do what he wants so long as it's not on our dime and doesn't drag us into WW III. X-mas is coming so piece on earf and goodwill to all mankind.
     
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    With the Bretton Woods system and decolonization of the old European empires, the bankers and other powerful corporations developed new tools to seize control of natural resources in the developing world. One way is to issue massive loans with impossibly high interest rates and other conditions that favor the lender, with resource extraction and a supply of cheap labor as the collateral.

    The lender often pressures the borrower to adopt import-export schemes designed to benefit wealthy nations at expense of a more underprivileged borrower. Followed by advice to do one or more of: raising taxes, devaluation of currency, ending of subsidies or free health care, and removal of minimum wage controls. A recipe for social unrest.

    To make matters worse, kangaroo courts were created—such as the investor-state dispute settlement—that allow corporations to bring lawsuits against a sovereign nation that seeks to nationalize a private business or has unwanted government regulations that get in the way of maximizing profits.

    The stated mission of the IMF and World Bank is a farce. They may have acted in the public interest at certain times in the past, but now these organizations behave like a giant wealth transfer machine that steals from the many to benefit a few.

    Territorial colonialism was exchanged for economic colonialism, where debt has replaced the point of a gun as a chief control mechanism.
     
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    EKB - You read the book!:) What he doesn't say in it is what was applied overseas is now being practiced against the West. He acknowldges it in u-toob interviews.

    ETA: Remember how Satan Klaus of the WEF said, "You'll own nothing and be happy!?" In China ALL land is owned by the CCP. When you buy a house or condo, you're buying a lease and there is no guarantee that the CCP will renew the lease. So, 99 years after the lease is made, the CCP can boot you out of your unit/house. This is why the smarter Chinese have been moving their RMB/Yuan offshore to western nations where private property rights are greater.

    The Founding Fathers of the American Republic believed that government exists to protect property rights. Progressives believe that property owners are tax cattle to be milked. I've read in a San Franciscograd newspaper column one Progressive arguing that housing is a human right. So, now they tax apartments for vacancies or empty storefronts. Squeeze that lemon dry!

    If anybody visits there. go the the Presidio parade ground. They still have two 75 mm airborne howitzers (same type as used at Bastonge) which they fire on July 4. Humphrey Bogart's brother final resting place is in the Presidio Cemetery (so is Irwin McDowell, Second Place Winner of First Manassas). Truman Head, aka California Joe, of Berdan Sharp Shooter fame is also interred there. He was a Mason and was originally in the Masonic Cemetery but when SF decided that land was too scarce, all the cemeteries were closed and the graves (purportedly) removed. A lot of unclaimed bodies were tossed into a pauper's field but California Joe being a veteran and a Mason his brothers had him re-interred at Presidio. If you want to see Alcatraz, buy your tickets on line and in advance. They are always sold out.

    Unfortunately the Presidio Army Museum has been closed and prior to closing a lot of stuff was stolen from them including a Springfield with a Pedersen Device and a shoulder stocked Broomhandle Mauser. Behind the museum is an earthquake shack (emergency housing) that was built to house San Franciscans after the '06 Earthquake and Fire.

    Pre-WW II coastal fortifications still exist in SF and Marin County which is across the bridge. This include the concrete emplacements for the four 16" gun battery that guarded the Golden Gate from invaders. You can visit them. Richmond Shipyard built Liberty Ships and part of it is managed by the NPS.
     
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    OK, this is from RT and should be treated with skepticism.

    Ukrainians have stolen up to half of US aid – ex-Polish deputy minister

    However, theft is a pattern ever since WW II when the US supplied funds and aid to the KMT (KuoMinTang) to fight the Japanese during WW II. If there was theft, it comes as no suprise (just like grafting here even before the funds are sent overseas). This stuff happens all the time in the Turd World (including Estados Unidos). Remember Ferdinand Marcos and there's a whole host of other despots elsewhere.
     
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    Mark Felton talks about how Britain could be hit. I knew I liked him for many reasons.
     

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