Best tanks

Well duh. Try 150mm @30 degrees/3000 yards.

 

Naval gunners used spotting planes and radar when they fired their main guns at distant targets. Of course, at sea, there's nothing to get in the way of your shells except the water or an enemy ship.

 

I disagree with you, most warships used the main fire directors located at the highest part of the ship, they also have local fire directors in the gun turrets,, the protuberances on the sides of the turrets,during WW II the differents navys have the fire directors and then with the new radar, the task was more accurate, on the other hand the use of spotters planes was to locate targes, others ships,as a reference please read " Battleship Bismarck, a survivor story by Baron Mullenheim-Rechberg" ,the famous engagement with the Battlecruiser Hood.

 

I was wondering, do any of our new members have anything to say on this 'mother of all topics'? I like to keep things going, and we haven't heard your opinion yet.

 

SHERMAN PWNS KTHX

 

Yes, your choice is clear. What does PWNS KTHX mean??

 

it means "owns, OK thanks".

for those who don't know about it, it's in a language that some people call L33t or leet speak, it was born when Counterstrike invaded the internet. nowadays it's mostly used by annoying 14 year olds who try to be cool.

other useful words in L33t speak include:
w00t! = woohoo
n00b = degrading term (somewhere between idiot and asshat)
m8 = mate
HAX! = cheating, hacking

 

It is a question, by which standards do you define the best tank.

The tank that had the greatest impact on the outcome of WW 2, and on tank developpment: T 34

The tank that was the most powerfull in tank vs tank battle: Tiger 2

Looking for the best tank is a question of definition.

 

Actualy, "n00b", "newb", and "NB" means Newbie. I wasn't serious when I posted using |337, just trying to be an asshat.

But yes, I do believe the Sherman 76(w), Sherman E8, and M4A3E2 were the best tanks of the war. Not only in mechanical reliability, but also in quality of construction and the technology implemented in them, such as the Gun stabilization and the Wet Storage to cut down on internal fires.

 

Asshat ? I learn new words all the time, this forum really does wonders for my English vocabulary.

 

You are right about the faulty armor in Kingtigers, but at this stage in the war, armor protecting from planes was more important then frontal armor.

And about the engines, almost 60 percent of German tanks had engine problems throughout the war, they never upped their engine power as fast as they did the weight of thier vehicles. Also, they used gasoline instead of diesel, which caused further problems

 

The T-34/85 was a far better tank then the Tiger I. Not only was its speed crucial in getting to the Tiger's weak rear armor, but the numerical superiority overwhelmed the few and far between Tigers. Also, the Tiger was basically an upgunned and uparmored version of the mark IV. Along with it came the non-sloped armor and shot traps.

 

Until you take into account that the T-34 used low quality steel in its construction. And its slope did not help the T-34 that much after the German tanks were modernized in 1943. The Russian 85mm ZiS S-53 and the 85mm DT were terrible. Only under a perfectly ideal condition could it knock out the Tiger from the front, and most of the time it couldn't period. The Soviet shells were of terrible quality as well. The 85mm gun upgrade to the T-34 was a very impressive upgrade, but the Tiger still has that edge over it, both on paper and behind the scenes.

 

I believe this point is quite accurate.

Question: Did the T - 34 43, 85mm come out of the factories with built in radios or were they added later?

 

The only edge the Tiger has over the T34/85 is a vast amount of unsloped armour, making it invincible by sheer weight until the Allies got around to building some more powerful guns. I wish that people would stop selecting the Tiger I as even a potential best tank of WW2, as it was not a good tank at all. It was an obsolete (obso|337) design, it had an unreliable engine and it was far too heavy for the bridges it had to cross. Also the power of its gun was exceeded by the lighter and faster 75mm L/70 on the Panther, so it had no use whatsoever anymore after the arrival of this tank and then it was nothing but an overly heavy chunk of firepower. This tank was NOT the best thing to emerge from WW2, and whatever credit it got when it first appeared on the scene in 1942 was largely myth, the Allies made up their lack of firepower soon enough.

 

That is correct, Roel. I do not know what came over me. I have a severe hatred for both the Tiger and T-34, I guess argueing with you lately has just brought about my hatred for the T-34 over the Tiger.

 

yes, n00b was a nickname given to real newbies who behaved in a stupid but kind of "cute" way, but since the introduction of Counter Strike, the word has lost all the meaning it once had, and is now only used in a derogatory way

 

I have only seen the term "newbie" used to describe someone who is a rookie at whtheir profession, usually military.

 

Just want to keep this agonizingly long post going

1. Mark I, when first appeared in 1916, it was the most "advanced" tank on the battlefield.
2. St Chamond M16: believe it not not, it was the precursor to many self-propelled guns in WWII and also today
3. Mark IV male, though appeared late, it can consistently withstand hits from German AP-bullet at close range.
4. Renault: WWI version of the T-34, cheap, easy to mass-produce, however, reliability and mobility were its weaknesses
5. Whippet: revolutionary design and concept for its time, descent protection, but mobility was the key.
6. A7V: too big, too slow, too few
7. Sherman M4 A3 E8: though argurably would have been the best tank in 1918, it suffered terribly against Panthers and Tigers in WWII. Crew morale also suffered due to a sense of technical inferiority.
8. T-34: obsolete design compared to the revolutionary Sherman, the worse finishing paint job of any tank rolling off the assembly line

 

Liang, if I didn't know better I'd think you were trying to be funny! Good job, you're almost ready to join the cult of the Sherman with Daniel adn me, we just need to get you over that silly idea that the Panthers and Tigers were any threat at all to the mighty Sherman!