Canned foods

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't think it was the Americans.

 

At least in ww1 I think the troops knew when they were served better than normal Food there was an offensive about to happen the next morning light.

 

Kinda like steak and eggs that precede an amphbious landing by the US Marine Corps.

Can I have oatmeal instead?

 

I know the Finnish troops knew it was not allowed but decided now or never. When things were calm they also made own alcohol or is it called moonshine. It was weird as troops were totally drunk.

 

That's pretty universal. Easy way to escape the hardships of war.

 

Yeah like the carriers cooks up all night cooking steak and eggs for the pilots on mission. I don't think having oatmeal is going to change the flight roster or mission schedule.

 

Steak and eggs were for the Marines. The suggestion about oatmeal is that one can remain shipboard and not land. As for carrier pilots, I don't think they got anything special. Its what the officers' ward provided and that depended on the officer who procured food for the officers.

 

seem to recall something about Japanese yelling "steak and eggs" while fighting...tried to find something on that, but came up with this gem: steak and eggs Just A Car Guy: Steak and Eggs, an A-20 (formerly numbered #13, crashed on the pilots 13th mission! ((Friday the 13th is in 4 days!!!))) made from parts of salvaged planes, and therefore didn't officially exist in the Army's paperwork, and the B 25 "Fat Cat" (pulled from combat status) were used for beer runs (and fresh food) in 1943 and 44, to Australia from Papua New Guinea (thanks Steve!)
about an A20 used for fresh food runs.

 

Humor doesn't really carry well over the net. Lack of facial expressions, gestures, body language. That didn't just sail over my head, it soared!

Got the steak 'n eggs from reading a lot of memoirs by Marines. Royal Navy Marines didn't do the amphibious scale landings like the USMC, so before they went on a mission, what did they get? Bully beef and hardtack? ymmmmmm. [steve1989]Let's get this on a tray[/steve1989]

 

I read that the commander of the troop and supply convoy decided he had to with draw to save the ships for future operations. The Marines had to endure starvation and ammo shortages. Why couldn't we get supplies in. PT boats, air drops, I know it's said they made by on captured Japanese rations but they only mentioned rice. The Japanese couldn't survive on just rice and dried fish. German rations were consider good. Hitler had assembled a panel of scientists, nutritionist and food experts to create the perfect rations for his troops. Each pack a tin of pork, roast beef, turk or chicken, hard bread, can veggies, condensed tomatoe soup, condensed milk, canned sausages or leberwurst, six soup pellets and five cigarettes. No coffee or candy, instant coffee and sugar was reserved for special troops, paratroopers and SS. Sugar candies rock candy were made available to rest camps for front line troops cycled out for rest and maybe requipt. There was a yellow lemon flavor given to Frontline troops fighting in winter condition as it supposedly lessened colds.

 

From one Guadalcanal book: The Japanese had tinned crab meat and beef in soy sauce. A bit high on the crab, even if it's in limited amounts. I know officers didn't really enjoy different rations.

 

Thanks for the info, it's funny about wagyu Japanese beef. Until westerners brought beef cattle over the Japanese never had true beef. The only bison they had was the wagyu that was an open. The Japanese liked the western beef but didn't see the reason for having to raise the two different animals. So they started to bring in western livestock to cross breed and modern Japanese beef wagyu is 80 percent western and 20 percent oxen. Only four breeds are considered wagyu in Japan and very expensive. Hell, gimme that herford or Angus ribeye. I think my brother bought some wagyu through one of our relatives that is a sales rep for American wagyu. Not sure what, if it's Japanese stock imported or just calling America cattle that. Like you always have companies pulling something. Like the utilities off season rates and seasonal rates. Oh anybody with high electric switch to florescent and LED. Drop our usage by 20 percent getting rid of all incandescent. Plus the utilities was doing a cut your usage by 20 percent and get a additional 20 percent for saving each month till the end of the year. So we saved almost 40 percent for the year unfortunately the rates have gone up alot since then.

 

Anyone know if the Japanese had canned fish as part of their diet? It would be more abundant than canned beef. Beef is so rare and expensive in Japan that I would think they didn't issue that as part of the regular rations.

Thanks for the education on waygu PQ. I always thought it was a specifically raised cattle with lotsa fat running through it. The fat gives the flavour.

On, on electricity, I'm going to have to put up a clothes line and go with solar drying of clothes. Fresher smelling too. Now, I have to kick the cat out so it keeps the birds from sitting on the line and defecating on the laundry.

Sorry mods, I'm way off topic.

 

Try the fake owls on the clothes line poles they say it works on keeping birds away but I don't know for sure. Be a myth busters. Sad about the girl from myth busters. She set the female land speed record and was trying to break it and the vehicle crashed. The wagyu seems to be more the cultural thing all the other are western beef cows foreign and the wagyu oxen was there since the beginning of Japan. Bet they came from China like the original Chinese colony. Wonder if the Chinese will claim Japan as a former colony. Like Taiwan was supposed to rejoin how many years back. If china pushes it will be one crazy stand off. Taiwan has been building up their coastal defense for years and AF. I think it's BS they blocked Northrup sale on the f20 then they sale them f16s. Shame on them. Wonder if we'll sell them f35s next. Did you see that thing on the Chinese assault craft looks like our aav7 but is alot faster showed it like skimming the water and sank fast too. But they said they fixed the problem and if they have could be bad for Taiwan if a thousand of those and whatever other assault craft they have came pouring across. I don't know how good Taiwan gunnery is better be pretty good. Things are heating up out there. We've moved hundreds of planes bombers and fighters on various island bases.

 

..I thought the Japanese were the ones who got a lot less rations/starved...I read the Marines got 2 '''official''' meals a day

 

Jack Fletcher pullled back b/c his destroyers needed fuel. No destroyers, no protection from submarines. Nimitz understood and knew we could not afford to lose carriers that early in the game. This of course left the transports unprotected.

As to going hungry, both sides did.

 

I thought he US attack in the middle was meant to starve the japanese people outside the reach of Japan.

 

I know our submarines and later airpower did that.

I thought Guadalcanal was to prevent the Japanese from finishing that airbase that would threaten communication between Hawaii and Australia. Failure would mean greater difficulty in maintaining Mac and the SW Pacific Theatre.

 

The Americans knew they could not attack every Japanese base in the Pacific. So the main point was to attack straight in the middle, and leave the other bases in the periphery perish without supplies. And it worked.