Ebola in the United States

Have already admitted not the sharpest tool in the box, but Chris Brown is an actual moron:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/chris-brown-ebola-population-control-article-1.1972786

And he lives here...Heard this kind of thinking is rampant in some parts of Africa, so the task of educating peeps seems priority 1.

And the Obama bit about not contracting from someone close to you, like on a bus- seems contradictory to what the CDC is saying. So messed up.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/10/Obama-You-Won-t-Get-Ebola-Sitting-Next-To-Someone-On-A-Bus-CDC-Avoid-Public-Transportation
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One of the reasons I found the article about the Firestone plantation so interesting is that they had their health care workers using industrial hazmat suits and had no cases (at least last I heard) of health care workers coming down with ebola. The report indicated that they were taking over flow from other areas because they had a facility and had essentially contained it on the plantation. When you consider that they are just a few miles from Monrovia it's really amazing.

 

Course not, Tommy. No baboon, only Elk w lots of marinade time.

 

Had the help requested arrived when the outbreak was first reported, we wouldn't be wondering about that either.

 

So you're proposing that two wrongs make a right? Or are you saying that we deserve an outbreak that could be easily prevented with reasonable travel restrictions because our governments didn't act quickly enough?

 

I'm not the one that started the conversation on what should've been done in the past summer.... But if it makes you any happier, to spread redicule over me because I question the value in pointing blame backwards in a climate of fear, by all means do so.

Excuse me slipdigit, but the cost so far has been over 4,000 lives.

And in that press release 12 million, 26 million (it wasn't clear to me in the release whether this was an additional 12 above the 14, or that the total was now 14, including the 12), whatever, doesn't that seem a rather paltry sum in retrospect? I'm guessing that the cost of caring for three Ebola patients on US soil around the clock, plus enforcing the quarantine, effects on economy of the scare, raising training, increasing standards, separate wards, disinfection, securing the potential vectors, etc, already exceed the cost of the total aid provided by USAID. Just a thought.

The cost to each citizen in the US, of the aid send by USAID, is now up to a staggering (let's be generous and assume 26 million)/316 million pop. = 8.2 cents per person.

"Sweden has now earmarked another SEK 105 million (= 14 million USD) to fighting the outbreak in West Africa and to send 10 experts from the Civil Contingency Agency to Liberia."
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=5985447 from a population of 9 million...

Of course, the real value will be the help on the ground provided by the USN, Army, etc. I'm not denying that. But let's keep the previous "response" in proper retrospect.

But by all means, fire away.

 

You are undoubtedly correct that the cost so far in the Dallas cases has been substantial. All because we failed to prevent one individual from travelling here. All because we didn't have the backbone to restrict travel from the effected areas. Was he travelling here on some important mission or from some critical necessity, no. So we place the desires of one individual above the potential threat to safety of millions. Seems pretty stupid to me.

 

A proper response to an outbreak is not to wave our arms, and destroy an entire country's economy by shutting down all transportation to/from that country. Especially as it is relatively easy to squish in the early stages with enough boots on the ground with the proper training and support.

What was lacking, when the original calls were made, was response from other countries to send personnel.

 

No argument from me there. I just think it would set a precedent, that might not be so effective in the long term.

People generally do not like other countries. Other places, the food is bland/strange/weird. The water tastes different. Customs are different, and no one quite understands you.
When people get sick, they generally want a place that is familiar to them, with people that speak their own language and customs.

They don't want to flee to die in the US. How many of the thousands that have died so far, tried to board a plane to the US? They trust the doctors that speak their own language. They trust the MSF doctors there.

As long as the country at large continues to function, and there is hope, and a semblance of normalacy outside, things are good.

Take that away, watch the first country collapse in a steaming pile of dead and unemployed, that's when you'll see mass emigration of the like we haven't seen in the West since 1945.

Worst is, the next time a single case pops up (in a decade or so anywhere around Africa), the entire country will panic, assuming the worst, and flee head over heels anywhere, trying to beat the travel ban, and any hope of containment or tracing will be lost. Then we really will see a pandemic.

No hesitation.

 

And I fully respect your decision.

My understanding is the boys in green / blue(?) are going to help with logisitics and construction.

 

France is initiating controls at airports now (Only the UK has done so so far in Europe) The E.U will discuss the matter and see if they will generalise the measure to all members. It's about time...

 

Where to allocate funds when you are talking about something like this is not a trivial problem. If funds were unlimited it would be a lot easier but if you allocate funds for ebola they came from somewhere else. Based on previous ebola out breaks a good case can be made for other areas being more important. A million dollars for instance can buy a lot of food or set up a pretty decent and productive farm in many areas. Then there are things like cancer research or HIV or Hepatitis or ...

Looking back on it with 20:20 hind sight it's easy to say we should have done x or y but was it really the wisest move at the time? I'm just glad I don't have to make those decisions.

 

Very insightful as (nearly) always lwd I too, am very thankful that I do not have to make such painful decisions.

 

Make me three.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-30270997

Ebola deaths in West AfricaUp to 24/25 November



6,928 Deaths - probable, confirmed and suspected

The fat lady hasn't finished singing yet.