FDR and the oil embargo.

Hello O.P.

Wow that is a site indeed - so you got your own Wiki then, congrats

Regards
Kruska

 

Hello O.P.

Well Wiki adds primary source documents as well - it is those texts or articles are valid to me.

[Homestead] The Iraq war goes badly, will continue to do so.
Iraq weapons of mass destruction = I knew it

Are you reposible for content or how far do you yourself get involved into those contents displayed on ibiblio - if I may ask.

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Kruska

 

Hello O.P,

thanks for the answer and congrats to a remarkable collection of documents, it is good to have people and sites around such as your site or yourself.
Have fun collecting and don't be too onesided in interpreting them

Regards
Kruska

 

As to China, we didn't ask anybody for the cash for war material after March of 1941, that was when Lend-Lease took effect and reverse Lend-Lease could be used as well as credit. Before that time however the "cash and carry" provision was in effect. We drained the last of the British bullion (out of South Africa) for the 50 destroyers, before we would even talk about the "bases for destroyer" deal. After March of '41, it was a fully funded policy by the US taxpayer. Not before.

The first thing that should be taken into account here is that the Chicago Tribune was vehemently anti-FDR, as well as all the Hearst papers after 1935. They would publish anything they could to put FDR in a bad light. Not too many took everything they published at face value because of this position. That said, remember this; FDR’s code breakers were reading the Japanese Diplomatic code, but not the new JN-25B naval code.

Japan requested that Germany declare war on the US before Germany actually did, and since they used the diplomatic (Purple) code we had already broken, America knew full well that Hitler had been asked. FDR could then simply wait for Germany to make the first move, and not "lump them" in with their Axis ally when asking for a declaration of war.

Hitler may not have done it on a simple "whim" but in the forlorn hope that if he did so, they would be as dishonorable as he and declare war on the USSR and take some pressure off his forces on his eastern front. It also allowed him to openly attack US ships in the Atlantic, something he had tried to limit in the previous time-frame. Not totally successfully, but still not "unlimited submarine warfare" until then.

From: Berlin
To: Tokyo
December 8, 1941
Purple (Priority)
#1437 Limited distribution

Re my #143(9?).[a]
At 1:00 p. m. today (8th in Berlin, 9th in Tokyo) I called on Foreign Minister Ribbentrop and told him our wish was to have Germany and Italy issue formal declarations of war on America at once. Ribbentrop replied that Hitler was then in the midst of a conference at general headquarters discussing how the formalities of declaring war could be carried out so as to make a good impression on the German people, and that he would transmit your wish to him at once and do whatever he was able to have it carried out promptly. At that time Ribbentrop told me that on the morning of the 8th Hitler issued orders to the entire German navy to attack American ships whenever and wherever they may meet them.

It goes without saying that this is only for your secret information.

Army 25978 Trans. 12/9/41

See:

[Secret]

Now while Hitler may have responded to the above request on the evening of the 10th of Dec. (Berlin time), the actual declaration was not delivered to Washington D.C. until the morning of the 11th. And until it (war) is declared it doesn’t really exist officially.

THE GERMAN DECLARATION OF WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES
December 11, 1941
[Department of State Bulletin, December 13, 1941.]
(Including the circumstances of the delivery of the note as released to the press by the Department of State, December 11, 1941.)
The German Chargé d'Affaires, Dr. Hans Thomsen, and the First Secretary of the German Embassy, Mr. von Strempel, called at the State Department at 8:00 A.M. on December 11, 1941. The Secretary, otherwise engaged, directed that they be received by the Chief of the European Division of the State Department, Mr. Ray Atherton. Mr. Atherton received the German representatives at 9:30 A.M.

See:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/1941/411211d.html

Later that same day FDR addressed Congress again and requested that a declaration of war be extended to both Germany and Italy.

See:

PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT'S MESSAGE TO CONGRESS

Boy oh boy those were busy days on both sides of the globe!

 

Hello O.P.

Please don't get me wrong,
but my favourit US congressional hearing was this highly decorated Colonel who IIRC mentioned 400 times "I can't remember"

As for congressional hearings or what ever issue, and in what ever country on this planet - harmfull documents and evidence is vaporised, manipulated and discredited by kown means.

Only in very, very rare cases 'it" -the so called "truth" comes up - and again a political cause in regards to that "truth" can't be outruled.

As for Germany - I would know in some cases - exactly about the result of the hearing and the actuall occurence.
And those hearing documents are meerly worth the paper they are written on.

A very good and longtime friend of my father was a U-2 pilot - congress version and the facts of his missions are two very different issues - believe me.

But I am sure you know that anyway

Regards
Kruska

 

OP's task is to scan and present the prime documents in digital form without putting his own or any other slant on the documents. At least that is how I have interpreted everything ever offered on "ibiblio". Great site and we should be honore to have one of it's contributers on the board.

 

brndirt1;

I didn't mean the US asking for cash (in regards to cash for Chiang) but that after declaration of war with Japan the USA suddenly managed to supply Chiang with weapons worth 2 Billion $. - In regards to your forwarding of being difficult to ship weapons to China before Pearl.

The Rainbow Five is a proven fact brindirt1, and has nothing to do with the Chicago Tribune being anti or pro FDR.

Off course the Japs had asked Ribbentrop to stick to his word. Hitler however was always concerned about avoiding at all costs that the US would not get into a war with Germany.
It was upon the FDR proclamation on the 9th December in regards to Rainbow Five that made Hitler convienced that a war with FDR was unavoidable.
Without FDR's 9th of December proclamation in regards to Rainbow Five it can be taken for very sure that Hitler would not have followed Japans call.

ALARM ibiblioALARM check the documents!!
Something very wrong here brindirt1.
If it was the 8th at 1p.m in Berlin it would have been 7/8 p.m on the 8th in Tokyo and not the 9th.
If it had been at 1p.m on the 9th in Tokyo it would be 7/6a.m on the 9th in Berlin
If it had been at 1p.m on the 8th in Tokyo it would be 7/6a.m on the 8th in Berlin
(There is only a 6 -7 hour (not sure about 1941 having summertime consideration) difference between Berlin and Tokyo
- the date is already faked/wrong (if placed as such on document - the document is faked.)

You bet

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Kruska

 

Why should that be?

1 p.m in Berlin on the 8th is 7 or 8 p.m in Tokyo on the same day.
Please prove otherwise to me.

1 p.m in Tokyo on the 9th is 7 or 6 a.m in Berlin on the same day.
Please prove otherwise to me.

1 p.m for both sides will always be the same day in Berlin and Tokyo.

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Kruska

 

OpanaPointer;

Two bad assumptions.

You are evading the MAJOR issue of a wrong date to a "historical document"

What else didn't the originater care about? and who might be the originator on a wrong dated document?

You really believe that a document with such a mistake would ever pass a hearing?

Any serious person will doubt a "historical document" with a wrong date - what does this have to do with conspiracy theorists?

You seem to be paranoid about those fellows.

I don't need to cribb in this matter - I have my own knowledge about time zones - New book about Pearl? sounds interesting

Regards
Kruska

 

You are evading the MAJOR issue of a wrong date to a "historical document"

When you want to be honest do come back

Regards
Kruska

 

Didn't say it wasn't a fact there bud, the Rainbow plans were however semi-secret and not well publishied outside of the military circles. The fact they were published in an anti-FDR paper made them suspect to many.

 

Hello brndirt1,

you are right on that. However the issue that this plan existed is what brought the arousal. Who leaked this info is actually the real interesting question - or why did it leak out.

Not so much about who printed it to the public.

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Kruska