Forgotten Story of Polish Nuns Raped By Soviet Troops

Hungary is from Remembering Rape: Divided Social Memory and the Red Army in Hungary 1944-1945 by James Mark.
Poland: Wielka trwoga (The Great Fear) by Marcin Zaremba.
Czechoslovakia:


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Sorry your assurances in this regard don't carry a lot of weight .. care to post some sources? Now if you had mentioned Soviet and other East European women murdred by German troops being the greater I'd be less skeptical.

 

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Welcome back Lwd!

I was really worried.

 

Which is a very small number .

 

Your back and I'm the first one you responded too! I'm honored.

Soviet and other Eastern European? Which other Eastern European are you referring to? What kind of sources would you to see?

 

Anything indicating wide spread rape by German troops. From what I've read it was rather discouraged not for any humanitarian reasons but to maintain discipline and due to Nazi racial beliefs. Again I'd readily believe that Germans were responsible for more civilian deaths in the East than Soviet forces were but that's a different subject.

By the way I responded to a number of other threads before this one.

 

What a question? Now I know that that's you, back, alive, good o'l Lwd.

Do you know that larger quantities of condoms were parachuted even into the Stalingrad cauldron?

On the picture below, you may observe an original Reichs-Kondom, below is a Russian variant. Please, note significant difference in size. Once again, Russians have largely outnumbered Germans, by the larger caliber.

 

The Russian one was produced in March 1983, according to an industrial standard published in 1981. So they most likely dropped them from a time machine.
And it's size 1, presumably the smallest.

 

It's at least a few hundred times more than in France.
In Hungary it was mostly a single city Budapest - the rest is unknown, in Poland and Czechoslovakia it was the "natives", excluding a large number of German women.

 

??? What does that have to do with the topic at hand???
A free clue distribution of condoms doesn't imply mass rapes.

 

Of course this has a lot to do with the subject. Supplying with condoms is yet another direct proof that the Wehrmacht has encouraged and supported rapes. In addition to that Wehrmacht has organised brothels all over the occupied territories. What really sickens me is that the Germans have organized brothels even in concentration camps. They literally raped these poor women to death and then incinerated them in crematorium. So repulsive, sick bastards they were.

Let us not pretend - there was no ground for explanation that the intercourse at the eastern front was based on consent of the both sides involved.

As wn. has noticed, the Russian condom was produced in March 1983, size 1, according to the Russian GOST standard. I have chosen that picture on purpose to make a point. During the war USSR has not produced condoms. S.T.A.V.K.A. has never send a single condom to the Red Army soldiers as they disapproved and forbade rapes.

That is the difference. So stop taking A. Beevor so seriously and rely to pure facts, not propaganda of the worst kind produced by A. Beevor. He is a mirror image of D. Irwing.

 

Before everyone gets into a dick-measuring contest with microscopes to measure the size in micrometers of Central European vs Eastern European penises;

Issuing condoms is not done to promote rape. It is done to protect the soldiers from the debilitating effects of venereal disease. VD was during WW2 a far-too frequent cause of hospitalisation of the fighting man in all armies.

Obviously, the lack of issued condoms in the Red Army, speaks instead volumes on just how poorly equipped and supported the Red Army soldier was beyond the bare basics of his tradecraft, killing Germans.

Meanwhile, the Western Allies issued condoms, and information;

 

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There is considerable grounds for believing that there were many cases of mutual consent as well as many cases where the consent was not mutual and probably a fair number of ones that fall into grey areas. Without some measure of the frequency overall and the percentage of cases that fall into each of the above the claim that German rapes exceeded those of the Soviets is at best unsubstantiated.

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In regards to GS posting the Strategypage had some statistics on venereal disease issues some time ago. I think from both WWI and WWII and it was indeed a major problem. A bit of googling will likely turn up some actual numbers. In that regards some armies even had doctors checking out local "sex workers" to try and ameliorate the incidents of such diseases and or ran their own establishments dedicated to said industry. If I'm not mistaken the German Army during WWII did so.

 

During the war the USSR not only didn't produce condoms but didn't produce enough food for the civilian population either so they were dying in rather large numbers (especially at the end of the war).
In this circumstances condoms were unbelievable luxury.

 

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As far as I can find out the first Soviet condoms were produced in 1949 - and they were built like a tank.
Although female contraceptives were produced from 1938, and the "backward" Czarist regime produced condoms from the middle of the nineteenth century.

 

I hope A. Beevor is reading this. Poor Helgas have been emotionally starved: men at the eastern front, at home just old grandpas from the Volksturm. Ivans must have been a refreshment, good chance to fall in love with real men.

 

??? Mind responding to the discussion coherently?

 

There were rapes, but that is irrelevant,as it would be a miracle if ther were no rapes : there were rapes in Germany before the war, during the war,there were more rapes,and there were rapes during the invasion of Germany,in the west as in the east, as there were rapes in France when the Germans came in 1940 and in the SU between 1941 and 1944.

There are no proofs that the number of rapes in Germany and in Poland were higher in 1945 than before 1945 ;and very quickly the Soviet Army took harsh measures to stop the rapes for reasons of discipline and political reasons .

And about the nuns : nuns were raped since there were nuns :during the wars of religion in Europe and protestant and catholic armies raped women, nuns included .