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GRAND SLAM at 60 !

Discussion in 'Air War in Western Europe 1939 - 1945' started by Martin Bull, Mar 15, 2005.

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    Fred Wilson "The" Rogue of Rogues

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    Good information, photos and schematics at Tirpitz - The "Tall Boy" and "Grand Slam" Bombs

    These were very expensive bombs, in short supply. So as soon as a target was destroyed, the remaining bombers were ordered to return home with their bomb load, often flying crippled ships. Thus there are many recorded instances of "crash landings." Must have been a nerve racking experience on board!
     
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    RE 617, 9 Sqdn
    Oct 15th 2007 Email from Tobin Jones, webmaster for Dambusters

    Message reads:
    "I took over the site a couple of years or so ago but have a lot of (ed: other time consuming) work still to do. <SNIP> Thanks for your good wishes, nice to know it is appreciated. The site is due for another upgrade soon as I have received quite a lot of additional information from various sources so do keep an eye on developments."
     
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    Thanks for the info Fred. I will have a look on the site from time to time and check for the updates.
     
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    There's an amusing incident recorded of a 'Grand Slam' bomber returning low on fuel and requesting permission to land at Manston in Kent to re-fuel with 'a bomb still on board'. Permission was granted by the Manston controller who assumed that it was a normal Lancaster with a 'hang-up' ( of a 500-pounder or similar ).

    With the aircraft parked , the Controller asked the size of the bomb. '22,000 pounds' said the weary pilot - the reaction of the Manston people is best left to the imagination......;)
     
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    Hmmm, it would have been Very bad if the Lanc Was damged and the undercarrige failed to work....BOOM!
     
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    Good Story on 617 Group Captain Faquier at
    John E. Fauquier
    - has a photo of a Lanc dropping a "special stores" (Grand Slam)

    Gazzette info on his three awards at: Distinguished Flying Cross - No

    From "RCAF Personnel - Honours and Awards - 1939-1949"

    Good memorial to Wing Commander Tait who passed away last september: Group Captain Willie “Tirpitz” Tait has died. - Aircraft of World War II - Warbird Forums

    Also: Good informative links list at:
    Other Related Canadian Military Aviation Sites
     
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    Yes - I have copies of both. 'A Hell Of A Bomb' was first on the market ( in paperback only, I think ). It had quite a limited print-run.

    'Barnes' Wallis Bombs' was published a couple of years later in hardback. It's almost exactly the same content but one or two minor corrections were made, and the reproduction quality of photos is much nicer in the hardback.

    Again, well-worth getting in either version and essential reading for anyone with an interest in the subject !
     
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    Thanks for that Martin :)
     
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    Got also a copy of the " A hell of a bomb". Excellent book!
     
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    I thought you all may enjoy this story of a diverted Lanc turning up unexpectedly at RAF Moreton-in-Marsh, Gloucestershire. Home of 21 OTU and my hometown.
    There is an excellent little museum in the town run by Gerry Tyack dedicated to the Vickers Wellington. Wellington aviation museum well worth a visit.
    Anyway on his website is a history of RAF Moreton-in-Marsh where this story involving this unusual arrival appears. Cpl. Foote's fright
     
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    I will point out to our American friends that NO American bomber aircraft of ww2 vintage could even come close to the load carrying ability of the AVRO Lancaster. With a 33 foot long bomb bay and it's long range, it was the premier bomber of the era.

    As has been mentioned, to carry the Grand Slam, modifications were needed, but on a regular night's work the bomb load for a Lancaster ( depending on distance to the target ) could be 12 to 14 thousand lbs of mixed bomb types. Please do some research and see what the typical USAAF bomb load in Europe was, for a comparision.

    A further point.........The Lancaster was able, while fully loaded, to fly evasive maneuvers that would have torn the wings off a B19 B24 or B29. Ask a Lancaster veteran about " corkscrew " and see what he says ?

    Jim Bunting. Toronto.
     
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    Jim,

    We are aware of the load carrying abilities and the dimensions of the bomb bay of a Lancaster. I am not aware of any regular, respected member of this forum, of any nationality, that will offer arguement to the contrary.

    Research on the typical bomb load will not be necessary, as it has been discussed innumerable times
     
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    A B29 was tested carrying a Grand Slam after the war :)
     
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    The John Fauquier, DSO**, DFC link (above) has moved to here: http://www.constable.ca/caah/fauquier.htm

    RCAF Personnel - Honours and Awards - 1939-1949 - has moved to: http://airforce.ca/honours-awards/
    - the broken links have been reported to them. Stay tuned...

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    http://www.dambusters.org.uk/ has moved to http://www.dambusters.biz/

    (It does not appear to be turning up on search engines very well.)

    617 Squadron Operation Record Books, 1943 - 45 can be found at http://www.dambusters.biz/operation-records/

    See: http://www.dambusters.org.uk/docs/recordbook.pdf
     
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    Repaired link to the Grand Slam on display at the Victory Parade London June 1946

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    Pretty impressive film:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRsSDD5U0X8
     

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