Ground Attack Aircraft

Thanks, Erich for the ID.
The mouse was just part of a collection of emblems I have on file. I don't suppoe I had any specific purpose in attaching it to the end of my post, other than, perhaps, it was an image related to the topic of discussion--although, only vaguely.
The blue mouse is associated with ground attack, and was probably a more appropriate image--although somewhat less elegant (if the word can at all be used in this circumstance.)
If, then, for no other reason than to provide the correct mouse, I shall do so below:



Please disregards previous mouse.
I might bring him out again should we return to the subject of fighter aircraft.

 

Ok Knoght you were losting me a little. Yes, Mickey for Herr Galland, now can you ID the blue background maus of what Schlacht unit ?

As for the enclosed glider-tug, the pilots I have interviewed usally took up a Hitler Jugend air course earlier in the war with simple crash-helmets on and quite an open cockpit if you want to call it that. A most exillurating experience they have all told me with many crashes and broken limbs. Still the high light of the pre-operative careers for most of these men....we are going to be pilots !

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Erich Brown,
Quoting from Ries, Markings and Camoflage..., pg. 75:

II./SG 1
ab Oktober 1943 II./SG 2
enstanden aus dem Zeichen
der 4. II (S) / LG 2
Fw 190 G, F
Hs 123
(info on emblem positioning omitted)

And for everyone who enjoys decrypting the arcane ID system employed by the Luftwaffe:

pg. 19 ibid.:

The ground support formations (SG) had the badge of the unit and the infantry assault insignia painted in white on the nose or under the cockpit in many cases. White or yellow fuselage rings indicated the operational area of these units.
During the years 1942, 1943 and early 1944, the standard identification symbol for the ground support formations was a solid black, equilateral triangle, outlined in the Staffel color of the time, painted on the operational a/c of the Hs 123, Hs 129 and Fw 190 types. The Ju 87 Staffeln did not have such identification symbol. About March 1944, this triangle disappeared and the low ground-support units painted a horizontal or vertical bar as Gruppe identification behind the balkenkreuz, thus adopting the system of the fighter formations. The marking in front of the Balkenkreuz on the fuselage, remained different; a code letter or number in the respective Staffel color was used until the end of the war. There was no uniform ruling.

 

The Stuka has more charm than any allied plane... And it was certainly very, very effective, when we had air superiority, of course... But I agree with the IL-2s and the Western allies aeroplanes.

 

Knight :

Nice scan of 2./St 77

dang, I wish I had a scanner ! maybe Christmas as I have been seeking one out for over two years. Too may scans to develop and send , even to guys on this board like Andreas. My techno friend works for the government as is overseas. do I say where ? No, he would come back and shoot me......

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Erich,
Let me know if there's a particular unit you're looking for.
I've chosen 3./JG 52 as my avatar image (red cross.) But, I can't seem to get it posted on the avatar selection page--even though I e-mailed it to the site. Is this something which takes a long time?
So, I remain avatarless : (
Also, I have an idea for a discussion thread, although the topic may be too controversial for the forum. If you have a minute, take a look at the topic here:
http://www.klopman.net/ww2forum.txt
Martin Bull: if you're out there, maybe you could take a look, also, and let me know what you think.
The text introducing the topic is very long, but, it really has to be, in order to present the issue in the proper context.
Thanks for your time.
It may indeed be inapproporiate, but, I believe you both will find the material very interesting.
http://www.klopman.net/tank1.jpg[/img]

 

Knight :

I will do that and select a abzeichen and let you know.

Be patient about the Avatar's, I would suggest writing Peppy privately since he does all the avatar work around here. Give him some time though as he is busy. Mine took about a week as it had to be reduced in height and width, that of 2./FAGr 5 the black wound badge was presented to me by forum members due to a stupid accident I got involved in at work, and my ribs still haven't healed up yet !, another 6 months. today I do honey-doo lists so I'll check the thread you mentioned later.

E

 

As for best ground attack B-1-RD, I owuld have to say that it was the USSR's Il-2. It was the most heavily armored plane in WWII. It had 6 mm. armor plate around the engine, 13 mm. plating around the cockpit, a bulletproof windscreen and canopy, and even had an armored frame which could be raised in front of the pilots before a low-level sweep and then lowered afterwards. The best American ground attack plane would have to be the P-47. It destroyed 3,315 planes on the ground.

The P-51 is still the best fighter

 

Well, I agree in those two ones. Both, the Il-2 and the P-47 were quite terrifying for the all that who spoke German on the ground...