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Hillary for president?

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  1. C.Evans

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    Hi Col, in my lifetime, I have not seen the length of a period of time that taxes were not raised be as long as they used to be. It's not like in the much older days when taxes were not raised as quickly as they are now. A few years ago, I remember looking at a nice website that had graphs on it explaining when and what for, that taxes had to be raised. Well, I remember that the graph showed taxes remained very steady for several or more decades. When we entered the twentieth century, the gap closed on the length of time in between tax hikes.

    Also, what you said above sounds good but, you know it aint going to happen ;-))
     
  2. Herr Oberst

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    Yes, all true but it doesn't happen you have to make it happen and sadly Americans are too concerned with what's on TV rather than what politician has his hands and god forbid her hands in our pockets.:)

    We can do something to get control of a government that doesn't represent the People(tax payers).

    Perhaps some tar and feathers?:D
     
  3. T. A. Gardner

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    One that any President could unilaterally do is simply issue an executive order requiring all agencies of the federal government to submit a list showing how many pages of regulations they had in the Federal Register currently and then give them one year to reduce that by 10 to 25% under penality of withholding of funding of equal amount until they do.
    Congress can whine all they want but it would be legal. The advantage here is if they are reducing regulations and paperwork they are: 1. not coming up with new BS for everyone to follow. 2. They are too busy reducing their regulations to micromanage everyone. The result is less regulation more free market.
    The logical extension of this is simply to continually do this until many agencies disappear simply because they no longer have anything to regulate!
     
  4. Herr Oberst

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    Right on the money, my money that is. The less government the better.
    Bureaucracy is ineffieciency. An excellent idea TA.:)
     
  5. chocapic

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    If she's elected, it would mean almost 25 years of Bush/Clinton families ruling USA.

    Far from the Tudor/Stuart score, but an impressive performance however. ;)
     
  6. Neon Knight

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    Wrong. The current ruler, Dick Cheney, is not part of the two families. :D
     
  7. C.Evans

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    Hi Col, I completely agree with you about smaller Govt = less taxes (mentioned in another post) and fully agree with you here. It seems as if most people are only wanting to know who is going to be the next American idol or who is Dancing With the Stars instead of knowing what the heck is going on with our Govt? Im Perplexed ---nay--im flabbergasted at the younger crowd here in the USA in that aLOT of their knowledge or interests, only have to do with listening to the radio and knowing musical trivia?

    Choc, said something I find VERY scary, that fi billery is elected, that would mean a quarter of a century of mediocre (SP?) to flat out, crappy leadership here.

    God I sure do miss Ronald Reagan!
     
  8. Erich

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    I know it is a hair brain idea, but we in the states, can we just skip in presidential elections ?

    yes bushy has to go but we need more time for a good alternative, 08 just ain't gonna do it
     
  9. Herr Oberst

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    We need to stop having RINOS(Mr. Amnesty uh... er... Mr Bush) and his father Mr anti second Amendment and get some true conservatives.

    What we need is another Teddy Roosevelt or Eisenhower.;)

    Although it is interesting to note that since Mr. Bush took office, after 9/11, which was really on Clinton's Defense Dime, there have been no Terrorist attacks in the US. How many attacks occured during Clinton's Administration??? Guess you don't mind government's hands in your wallet, Erich;)
     
  10. Erich

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    I am the govt Colonel !! :D no I should rephrase I have worked for the govt............who cares

    yes I could dig a Teddy Roosevelt ready to come back to the USa and straighten up the mess done for too many years. I've got a great portrait shot of him in uniform.........:)
     
  11. Roddoss72

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    Neon Knight i will join this thread as well

    My two cents worth, those who have said these things against Mrs. Clinton are base gutless cowardly attacks, you gutless scumbags, have no appreciation of democracies and the power and privelage of voting, you take your freedom for granted, i bet none of you gutlees scum would have the balls of the spine to publically dare to day that to Hillary Clinton face to face, bullies never have the courage to act on their own, they must hunt in packs.

    If you don't like it piss of to Burma, Pakistan and North Korea, and enjoy your democratic freedom there, and let those who have a healthy dose of decency in their souls to vote for Hillary Clinton, and to finnish off if i could vote in the US election she would have my vote.

    Cya.
     
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    She wont win! :D
     
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    may your genitals be stung by 10,000 scorpions : A Saudi saying
     
  14. Roddoss72

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    How sweet, i love you too schnookums.
     
  15. Herr Oberst

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    Well if you worked for a living, owned a house, had a family then you would understand the simple fact that you, not the Democrat Party, know how best to spend your earned money. Socialism does not belong in America. Illegal immigrants don't belong in America. Many of us heroes do not want to see America become France or a third world counrty. We like to project our opinion and agenda of truth to the do nothing trust fund types and the guilty misguided fools like George Soros and Moron.org, who would destroy the United States in favor of communism if he could. Those freedoms you refer to do not include the freedom to be treasonous.

    I'd love to have(meaning to have present at that location) Hillary on live TV or a radio talk show but after a few comments she would run away;)

    It would be even more fun to interview Billy Boy.

    But I guess to handle your no appreciation comment I would have to agree with you, we have no appreciation for stupid, uniformed people that are liable to cost us an election, our security or our country.

    The real interesting thing about most of the Leftist from overseas is why should you care who gets elected in the US.....very telling.
     
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    Maybe I missed something, but do you ever have anything nice or constructive to say about France, which by the way has a much richer history then the U.S.?

    I know you may find this hard to believe but France is NOT the only country in Europe with a socialist democracy
     
  17. Roddoss72

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    Spoken like a true right wing Nazi, democracy don't suit folks like you and your redneck ilk, you are by nature Xenophobic, you hate that is different to you, might i add that America would collapse if all those illegals were to be sent home why, because they contribute billions dollars in federal taxes per year.

    But i guess that you are right, America will neve become a socialist nation, but here is one fact, your country is solely based on a war ecconomy, you can't survive without the trillions of dollars that pours into your war industries, yes it can't be a socialist nation when the President is to consumed in trying obliterate almost every muslim nation on the planet.

    The sad irony is that rednecks such as yourself figure the rest of the world ends at the US borders, and that PAX AMERICANA should reign supreme. Oh and one observation, it was a national disgrace that so many Americans were in Iraq killing women and children when they should have been home helping out in New Orleans.
     
  18. Herr Oberst

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    France is a great place to visit, been there many times, have friends and family there. It is a truly misrun nation and has been since WWII. Hopefully they will get their act together and with their new leadership, all my best.

    Let's see what else can I say about France....Sophie Marceau, a nice Chateau Cantermerle Haut Medoc 2003 vintage, some Calvados and some Mimolette and lots of treking through the beautiful countryside not to mention Saumur and Normandy museums.

    Correction, France has a longer history than the US.

    No, just the most problematic, and historically, one we had to bail out in two World Wars.;)

    Wrong, they don't pay taxes and don't have legal social security numbers. We have a huge labor force on welfare without them.


    That is wrong and too silly to try to even comment on.

    Something has obviously directly effected you concerning the US, I would not venture into speculation...maybe it has something to do with the Last Wave.

    The guilt you folks carry around must be overwealming.
     
  19. T. A. Gardner

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    One can only hope! One can only hope! Socialism is indentured servitude while its more virulent cousin Communism is pure slavery.
     
  20. T. A. Gardner

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    Rodoss, you haven't got a clue when it comes to criminal entrants (aka illegal aliens). Their entire contribution in taxes is negible compared to the costs of enforcement and losses suffered by states and individuals because of their presence.

    In Arizona they commit twice the crime of the general population (do the math: there are in round numbers 6.2 million residents in AZ. There are an estimated 500,000 criminal entrants. The general prison pop is currently 37,200. There are 5,000 criminal entrants in jail in the state That makes the general legal population incarceration rate 1 in 200 and the criminal entrant rate 1 in 100). Their incarceration costs over $100 million per year alone in just that one state. California's criminal entrant prison population is such that the state could afford to send every legal citizen to any university for a Ph D on the money saved not having to warehouse these individuals.
    Arizona has the highest car theft rate in the US due to criminal entrants. Auto insurance saved would amount to hundreds of millions without theri presence.
    Three of the last five police officers murdered were by criminal entrants in Arizona.
    Criminal entrants have also caused the greatest enviromental problems in any national park, forest, monument, etc in the US. Starting with the Organ Pipe National Mounument. They have absolutely ruined it. It will not recover for millinia, if ever. The park used to be open for camping. Today it is not as too many murders, robberies, rapes, and other crimes are committed against campers by criminal entrants.
    The Kofa Wildlife refuge is likewise threatened by criminal entrants. Coronado National Forest is also threatened due to criminal entrants diliberately setting forest fires and range fires to cover their movements.
    The USAF Goldwater bombing range spends nearly $50 million in enforcement and security to remove criminal entrants crossing the range. It delays military training and and often disrupts planned operations with resulting higher costs.
    Oh, they also leave about 30 million pounds of garbage, 2000 dead bodies, 6 to 8,000 abandoned vehicles in Southern Arizona annually at a cost for clean up of about $400 million dollars.

    You have absolutely no, nada, none, zero, zip knowledge of the horrible and costly situation with criminal entrants in the US. The lame liberal Democrats may stall doing anything but the people are doing things anyway.

    In AZ starting 1 Jan 2008 any employer found to have knowingly employed criminal entrants in the state is out of business. They lose their licsenses.
    Criminal entrants no longer are eligible for any state benefits, may not get state tuition rates for schools or other similar services.
    Criminal entrants are no longer eligible for bail on any criminal offense they commit. This means they get into a traffic accident they can no longer flee the country and leave you holding the bag as they have done to me, my brother, and several friends.

    These scum contribute nothing to the economy compared to the costs they wreak on the system. As I (and the overwhelming majority of people in my state) say SECURE THE BORDER! DEPORT THEM ALL!
     
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