Human catastrophe

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The level of the Muslim propaganda is going down by every post .

I do not eat kebab,I do not drink Vodka, there was no real democracy in Greece,my shirt is not Indian and my tea is not Tamil .My car is not German, and even it was German,this would not be a reason for 1 million Germans to come to Belgium and live here .

The Islam is incompatible with our values.

Where they are the masters, the Muslims are persecuting the non Muslims .

When they come here,they are pampered,but refuse to assimilate,but attack the non Muslims .

When we are at war with Islamists, the Muslims in Europe refuse to condemn these terrorist,refuse to fight against these terrorists,but by thousands they go to the ME to join the terrorists .

Conclusion : a Muslim remains a Muslim and remains hostile to our values,even when he goes to Europe;thus,there is no place in Europe for them .

Only naive people living in Michigan and Pennsylvania are convinced that a Muslim who arrives at the US is immediately transformed in a US loving liberal democrat .

But, living in a Wolkenkukuksheim does not prevent that one will be faced by reality and reality will be grim;one can only hope that it will be not to late,but I have no hope : the decisive point has passed : the billions of the Third World have started the invasion of the West:what you are seeing today is only a beginning,and,neither Lansing,nor Harrisburg will escape their fate .Our culture will be destroyed : the gates of a new dark age have been opened . By the Liberals .

 

Actually first generation adult immigrants prove to be excellent citizens, eager to make a new life in their new land (unless they came with the intent to do harm).

The problem is second generation immigrants, either those born in their new country or brought over as children. A great many of the 'foreign fighters' who are drawn into extremist activities by a difficulty to balance expectations with their faith. In simple terms they did not choose to come 'here' as their parents did and feel they are outsiders, a stranger in a strange land. They have little stake in their adopted homeland and desire simplistic answers to their confusion.

Before this recent migration Europe was facing rather significant disruption by these confused and unfulfilled people. For awile they mostly went off to Jihad but large numbers, as are now arriving, concern me in that a generation from now they may choose to bring this conflict into their new home.

For America this is less of a problem, we are vast and 300 million strong, for countries that are much smaller, and with populations a fraction our own, the future is far less clear.

 

It is an illusion to think that it is less of a problem for the US : even the US resources are not inexhaustible : what will happen within 50 years when there will be living 500 million people in the US,a majority of whom from the third world who will fight between each other for the scarce resources ?

 

Third World???

We're all living one one world that I am aware of...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDDsqJMFGrY

 

I think that's exactly right. The other aspect that magnifies the problem is the public housing issue in Europe. For reasons I fail to grasp other than "political correctness" you are seeing these immigrants housed in their own districts so they can maintain their culture and language. The problem with that is that they maintain their culture and language.

Spread them out and allow them to assimilate into the native culture.

In the US, the only place I know (there may be others) where middle easterners have congregated into a large community is Dearborn, Michigan, not far from where I grew up. That has not proven to be a problem because the influx has been spread out over 40 or 50 years, and the influx has been very diverse - I think the first wave was Lebanese who tended mostly to be quite western in outlook. Dearborn was also the center of the Detroit Jewish community and everyone got along just fine. I think that kind of set a tone for later waves of immigrants and there have been no big problems that I know of - I think LWD lives in that general area and can comment on current events. I only know firsthand what was going on 35 years ago. I used to run with (and by "run" I mean bar hop) with two co-workers, a Lebanese guy and a Jewish guy. I remember him (the Lebanese buddy) telling me that before all the shiat hit the fan, Lebanon was very "French" and pleasant - sidewalk cafe's, good wines, girls at the beach in bikinis. That all changed with Hezbollah and the Islamist takeover.

Sorry to ramble on, but I see this current huge influx as real trouble for Europe. They are accepting all of them, not just those who are true refugees. That's insane, but as long as they are going to do that, I think they'd have far less trouble and more assimilation if they had a policy of spreading out the immigrants instead of concentrating them. I just read another story this morning about a Swedish journalist and cameraman trying to interview residents in a neighborhood where Muslim immigrants were housed by the government. They were stoned by gangs and had to flee. It seems crazy that residents can't go into districts in their own country without risking attack.

 

It concerns me, yes, but parts of the east end of Glasgow have resembled Kabul for years with the amount of Asians (actually Indian/Pakistani) living there.
The SNP of course, love all this, since they think they'd be getting a whole new influx of Britain-haters to go with the ones who've never been to Ireland in their lives but consider themselves more Irish than anyone actually born there.
The chattering classes in my neck of the woods recently attended a council-run seminar on the refugees crisis and how they were going to bring more of them over. This is in spite of the fact the local council suspended the right of council tenants to buy their homes due to a housing shortage (which I've already mentioned), so they've already admitted there's nowhere for them to stay, plus the council has just been in the papers panicking about having to make £25 MILLION quid of cuts to services over the next five years.
So let's see; no houses, services cut to the bone, but let's bring more refugees in to flood the housing market and engulf social services What could possibly go wrong?

 

Your other brain cell must be about worn out by now....

 

Even the Swedes are now admitting they can't cope with the flood, and the backlash has started-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/11960921/Sweden-conceals-refugee-centre-addresses-after-attacks.html

 

The Swedish "journalist" was making a film about why the foreign residents would throw stones at the Swedish police officers.
Then, she wonders why some of the residents would take umbrage at such an intrusion.

I am reminded of journalists who would venture into certain Italian communities inquiring about the Mafia, and then wondering why they were roughed up.

 

1. You illustrate the problem perfectly, they don't think of themselves as new Swedes, but as you say "foreign residents," which is exactly the problem.

2. It seems perfectly natural to ask why they are throwing stones at policemen. If you went with a camera to a Black Lives Matter rally to ask why they dislike policemen, nobody would stone you. They'd tell you why they feel the way they do.

 

You don't understand, again. There is no problem whatsoever, we just don'tagree and I don't see any problem. Obviously, for you, the problem exists as soon someone doesn't agree with you. Think about that - it is so simple and yet so difficult for you because you are always right and period.

 

Being Muslim doesn't make you a bad person in the eye of modern western morality. Nor does being a member of the US police forces, a former member of the Nazi party, or a member of any particular political view.

However it is proven that 2 groups that do not speak the same language and do not subscribe to the similar world views living freely in close proximity generally cause more friction and crime than one homogeneous group.

This does not have to lead to fighting or outright hatred. For example Canada which has 2 main languages. This has led to friction between the sides however both sides largely agree on moral principles and western philosophy. Continuing to enjoy their country together as Canadians.

People from the ME or Africa arriving in a western country do not automatically adopt western principles. Anymore than moving to South Africa would cause me to adopt the local values.

When you introduce a differing group into a homogenized country there are 2 options either they will try to retain their old customs or embrace the new. The larger the differing group the more likely they are to retain the old customs. If they retain the old customs and language they will continue to be seen as outsiders and for lack of a better word persecuted be it lightly or harshly. The Jews strongly held to their religion, customs, and language throughout their diaspora and suffered because of it. This is not a question of right or wrong, it is what happens.

With large numbers of mainly unskilled, non native speaking, non native reading, less educated, people with differing customs, morals and world view entering a homogeneous country. The result will not be the destruction of the country but it will be weakened with more crime, less available housing, a heavier burden on the education system now being required to teach either in 2 languages or have remedial language classes. The job market will eventually absorb the new workers but for some time the lower skilled wages will not increase due to more available bodies. However the burden on health care and government social programs will cause higher taxes and infuriate the working men and women who aren't seeing the benefits of an increased population.


Overall immigration is great. Provided they agree with the philosophy of the majority and are willing to be absorbed. It becomes a hindrance when the immigrants try to retain too much of a different culture resulting in friction. The fewer government assistance programs the more impetus the immigrants have to align themselves to the majority in order to fit in. The more immigrants the more they can rely on each other rather than be forced to adapt.

To put it simply multiculturalism "the preservation of different cultures or cultural identities within a unified society, as a state or nation" is not to the benefit of the countries people.

 

No. you're just looking for an argument, because that's what trolls do.

 

Well, I have expected such an accusation from you, sooner or later. That's a typical reaction from someone who gets irritated by the existence of opposite but undeniable views. Just rant if that helps. But now, really, good riddance. Technically, I can not put you to the ignore list because you're a "trustee" but I will refrain from responding, or should I say, feeding a genuine troll enraged by the opposite view.

 

You're statement reminded me one one of the worst debaters I've ever seen.

https://youtu.be/_cUDl_LEtak?t=32m40s

 

I didn't sit through much of that!

 

Didn't expect you would. Like I said some very poor debaters.

I'm stuck between laughing at the stupidity and cringing at the idea that more people think like this.

 

It's off topic, but I kind of "get" the simmering anger in poor black neighborhoods. We've created a dead end with our social scheming. When we reward women for having fatherless children with a bigger monthly check for each one, we create generations of fatherless children without direction or work ethic. They're inside the bubble and don't see the real cause, and don't have the motivation to get out if they do see it. So they blame "the man."

A similar thing is happening in Europe, except many of these people concentrated in their own neighborhoods do have an inner ethic to turn to - and it's not one that is at all compatible with western ideals.

 

That's about the second or third time you've said that, yet here we are...