Human catastrophe

Most commendable.

If I may suggest though, spare a little Christian charity for your neighbors as well. I imagine they have seen photo's such as you posted in post 936, or with their own eye's in person. Read the reports from Turkey, Greece and Serbia, and are understandably worrisome about their own situation.

I do not wish to be indelicate, but it is my understanding your homeland is not the richest in Europe and only recently (in historic terms) gained its full independence. The global rescission has not fully abated and as you point out perhaps tens of thousand's of refugee's will be stuck in your country through out the winter.

Your countrymen (and women) have struggled to create their own home under less than ideal conditions and face so much of that work undone by this unprecedented migration of people with so different a world view. They would not be human if they were not apprehensive about their fate. Their elderly who can do so little and their children who they have so much hope for, see the potential for seeing their home being turned into some kind of refuge ghetto once Germany or Sweden decides to close their borders.

 

At this link you may see an independent footage from Aljazeera. I deliberately have refrained from euphemistic reports from our local news agencies. Please watch this report carefully. It indicates that volunteers were prevented from helping refugees, despite the official government aid is absolutely inadequate - while police "rocks". In fact Slovenian government is an obstacle to provide adequate quantities of food and clothing to the refugees in desperate need. Our (Slovenian) politicians are simple bloody bastards.

Fortunately, this autumn is for time being astonishingly warm and sunny even though temperatures in the morning are already below freezing. I am afraid that this is just an introduction to the real catastrophe. Refuges are stalled by force while there is no real plan what to do for them.

I am afraid what will happen when THIS comes and this is inevitably coming. Belasar, you as a Texan can not understand how it feels to spend a night outdoors at minus twenty-two centigrade. As a foolish teenager I have tasted such freezing once and have it enough for the entire life.

@belasar
I understand your concerns belasar - unfortunately, the present day world reduces to single dimension - money. However I am am pleasantly surprised with the results of poll regarding fences from our southern neighbouring country, Croatia. Results of poll indicate that more than 50% of sample population oppose the use of fences, or more precisely, they don't approve the use of fences. I am not aware of any similar poll in my country but our politicians talk nonsense about the necessity to use fences. On the way to Austria I use a macadam short-cut through the forrest so I am not aware of the situation at the border, but judging from road obstacles at the Austrian side and numerous police patrols, our Austrian neighbors are ready to stop the flood.

 

Now I have fresh data so let's practice primary school calculus:

Number of refugees in Slovenia.....150.000
Population of Slovenia...........2,061,085
Population of Scotland...........5,327,700
Population of USA..............321,729,000

Exercise 1: Equivalence

In relation to the size of nations in the list, the influx of refugees to Slovenia could be compared by numbers to the USA if they welcomed 23,414,536 or IF Scotland has invited to host 387.735 refugees.

 

With tongue planted firmly in cheek.

Well...Considering the fact that as of 2013, there were 41.3 million immigrants(legal and illegal) living in the United States...Does this mean that we can send you some of our excess?

 

Takao, please! Do you see the difference and why not?

 

I'd be curious about any change in crime rates before and after. Not sure wanting to protect your family /property/society is xenophobic.
Would KSA and other Muslim countries- who aren't accepting their own brother Muslims into their countries- be deemed xenophobic...
"An estimated 900,000 pivately owned firearms" by Austrians, with 70,000 shotguns sold this year.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/28/shotguns-virtually-sold-austria-sales-fuelled-fear-migrant-crisis/

Why aren't the assets of the governments/nations responsible for the migrations be frozen and collected in order to pay for the trouble/expense they have caused?

Finally, it would be best if the refugees recognise and acknowledge the reason they are in such a bad situation is because of their own politics/religion.

 

Not really...



They also came across with only the clothes on their backs, the skills they had learned in their own country, mostly lived in squalor...


Don't worry, they're just passing through...When they are gone, your life can return to normal.

 

I would like to salute the both above posts: Poppy for creating good ground for debate by opening relevant questions and indeed great answer by Takao.

 

In this you would be mistaken.

While I currently live in Texas, and was born in Louisiana, I spent most of my childhood north of the Mason-Dixon line. Specifically, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Illinois. I even spent one winter (most of it anyway) literally on the edge of Lake Erie. I literally could walk, and did, on the ice of the lake. (got grounded for that one!) Even indoors (a lake house) I was never warm. For about 10 winters I shoveled driveways for extra spending money (our own for free sadly).

No I do not compare my history with theirs, but I do know what bone chilling cold is.

 

Then you understand my fears. It appears that the refugees have stalled, outdoors, without shelter and completely isolated, without adequate supplies. Soon they will wish they have never left their countries.

 

Over the past few posts on the previous page we have focussed our attention to the acute consequences, but what is in the roots of this catastrophe? As we can see, refugees are a non-homogenous group of people originating predominantly from (in alphabetical order):

1. Afghanistan
2. Iraq
3. Libya
4. Syria

I wonder what the above mentioned countries have in common. Please, let's avoid things like: religious fanaticism, Arab affairs and ethnic conflicts because there are even worse religious fanatics in Saudi Arabia, there are also other Arabs and there are many ethnic conflicts around the globe. I am looking here for a real, unique common denominator.

If we find out what these countries have in common, we might find the cause and consequently the solution to the problem at hands.

Any guesses?

 

Sources for your refugee numbers please.

 

Let me make the first guess:

DESTRUCTION - UTTER DESTRUCTION!

But, I am sure there must be something else, for example: Who has destroyed these poor countries? ... and WHY?

 

There you go again

You have some creditability in claiming the west "destroyed" Afghanistan and Iraq (though post occupation they themselves have done a bang up job on their own) Lybia and Syria have been internally created civil wars aimed at removing hated tyrants.

 

No Belasar, I never claimed that "west destroyed Afghanistan and Iraq" even though I tend to agree with such a claim. I'm much more concerned with events that have led to destruction of Libya and finally - Syria or more precisely: what has caused revolt that has led into "selfdestruction" of these two poor nations. I'd rather refrain from bold statements and prefer to make a short digression with a movie "Queimada" a 1969 Italian drama film about the creation of a fictional banana republic in the Caribbean with Marlon Brando in the main role.

In the movie the British government sends Sir William Walker (Brando), an agent provocateur, to the fictional island of Queimada, a Portuguese possession in the Lesser Antilles. Britain seeks to open the island to exploitation by the fictional Antilles Royal Sugar Company. Walker's task is to organize an uprising of African slaves against the Portuguese regime, which the British intend to replace with a government dominated by pliable white planters. In short, the movie deals with export/import of revolution/revolt to destroy a foreign country in order to exploit her resources. Here is an interesting passage from that movie:

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSTl7HUXQnI[/media]

 

For the Win!:

Answer: The countries were all "cherry-picked" by an certain forum member in a misguided effort to prove his point.




Unfortunately for him, he neglected to include Somalia, which ranks #2 as a country of origin for refugees.

He has also neglected to include...Central African Republic, Democratic Republic of Congo, Eritrea, Myanmar, Pakistan, Sudan, and South Sudan.

Yet, he has included Libya...which accounts for a pitifully small number of the world's refugees. HINT - There have been 10 to 20 times the number of refugees from the Russian Federation than there are have been from Libya.

 

Drat! I was gonna say "What are former Soviet satellites that suffered from Moscow had began to turn off the tap. Alex"

 

That too.

Shame we can't get Richard Dawson to give us a "Survey Says!"

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/palestinian-woman-attacks-israeli-guard-knife-article-1.2427561

nice culture.....

 

Indeed my understanding was that most of the refugees that try to make it to Europe from Lybia for instance weren't originally from Lybia but just passing through. My impression also is that most Afghan refugees only went as far as Pakistan and Iran or other neighboring countries and many were returning. The same would apply to Iraqi refugees although most of the Sunni are not returning. Concern about the refugees is indeed warrented and a serious humanitarian concern. Cherry picking their origins for political purposes undermines it though.