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Discussion in 'The Stump' started by edhunter76, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. bronk7

    bronk7 Well-Known Member

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-air-strikes-khorasan-group-were-working-to-make-toothpaste-bombs-and-explosives-that-could-9752177.html



    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/bombs-smuggled-toothpaste-tubes-u-s-officials-warn-airlines-article-1.1603439

    toothpaste bombs

    an M67 grenade has only 6.5 OUNCES of explosives

    pic is of the SHOE bombers bomb

    here's a good one... http://fair.org/blog/2014/06/27/toothpaste-terrorism-been-there-done-that/

    ''On Wednesday Oct. 6, 1976, anti-Castro Cuban terrorists took down Cubana de Aviación Flight 455 with a time bomb concealed in a tube of Colgate toothpaste. Seventy-six people died, many of them teenagers, as the plane fell into the sea just 11-minutes after takeoff on its way from Barbados to Jamaica. It wiped out the entirety of the 1975 national Cuban fencing team.''

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pencil_detonator

    pencil detonators

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pencil_bomb

    pencil bomb



    are you kidding?? it doesn't take much explosives to kill or destroy...more than enough room
     

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  2. Otto

    Otto GröFaZ Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I mean it doesn't not look like a bomb. Don't all time-bombs need a clock to go off?
     
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    bronk7 Well-Known Member

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    no, not at all...remember Stauffenberg used a pencil detonator.....they are timed....check link above.....unless I'm very mistaken

    I understand the pencil bomb was more incendiary, but clearly enough room in the case to make a bomb, IED, etc with todays technology
     
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    But a pencil case can't is a "suspicous device"? I don't think so. Now one can I guess argue that electronics in the case might make it suspicous but once it's open so you can see the electronics it's pretty clear that there are no explosives. Only a very thin layer under the elctronics could possibly hide them.


    You all ready proven
     
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    I remember flying to Tenerife in 1989, a few months after the Lockerbie air disaster, and being told by check-in attendants to switch on the shortwave receiver I was carrying to prove it wasn't a bomb, since that was the method used to bring down the Pan-Am flight.
     
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    Otto GröFaZ Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    What I'm saying is that at firs glance it does indeed look like a bomb, and I'm actually quite a bit more familiar with explosives than most. I've also had hands on experience with industrial grade pyrotechnics for films and fireworks shows. Should a generic high school teacher be expected to have expertise in this area?

    Isn't it also conceivable this was the timing device for an explosive payload stored elsewhere?

    I like playing the devils advocate role don't you know. :evillaugh:
     
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    good call -- a teacher would not necessarily be an expert---AND--Americans need to be suspicious of foreigners from the ME, Chechnya, etc....need I list the many reasons why?? it's a different era, world, etc.....something out of the ordinary, is supsicious..this is another security concept...is it far fetched that it was thought to be a bomb?? maybe, but, ifso, the teacher's thinking is the safe thinking....if I may ask, what was your job with the explosives....doesn't sound like your everyday job
     
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    Otto GröFaZ Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    OK, I know this thread is about the refugee issue, and this bomb thing is about the sixth tangent we've gone on. I'll entertain one more comment on this "bomb" issue because I think it is probably misunderstood.

    My wife is a teacher here in Chicago, I showed her a photo of the case, she said it did look mildly suspicious at first glance, she also immediately identified it as a pencil case. When I asked her if she would have reported it to authorities, she said, "Yes I would, 100%" even if she knew it wasn't a bomb. The risk that even one parent of the other students would make a safety complaint about the item to the school board would prompt any teacher to do the same. I suspect the "bomb" being reported to authorities had a lot more to do with a teacher covering his/her ass in the hyperactive US legal system than any insidious racist conspiracy.

    OK, back to your other tangents already in progress...
     
  9. bronk7

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    I'd like to point out with regards to the case, and the original post--we are at war!...a shadowy, mysterious, etc war where the enemy is ambiguous....would you allow thousands of German and Japanese refugees and ''immigrants' into your country in WW2?..no, that would be stupid....same with these refugees.....
     
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    Query to Otto then...

    How many bombs that you have had experience with have an attachment for a 9-volt battery backup...Anyone else notice that in the photo?

    Speaking as to a timing device for an explosive stored elsewhere...Where is.the attachment to detonate the external explosive? The only extraneous wires I saw was the 9-volt battery connector.
     
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    Otto GröFaZ Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    The batteries are for the timer. The detonator can be powered by a battery (large or small) but doesn't need to be battery powered. Interesting thing to point out is that Ahmed did not actually make a clock. He removed the cover of an alarm clock radio and shoved the guts into a pencil box. This is why it has a battery backup, to ensure the alarm goes off if the power goes out. If I were inclined to make a time bomb, this would be the easiest way to set a device with an accurate time to "go off" without being plugged into a wall.

    The device has a circuit board. Alligator connectors are all you need attach a timer to a secondary device. They need not be on the timer itself, but can be on the secondary device, or in your pocket ready for use.

    One can debate how much the item did or didn't look like a bomb, but the idea that a english teacher could accurately identify such an item is a bit of a stretch.
     
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    The majority of IED's in the last 10 years have used a phone as the triggering mechanism. Mine uses 3.7 volts.

    Turns out the clock wasn't a bomb. However I can certainly understand a police official wanting to take his time in declaring it not a bomb. If they are wrong it will kill children. Then they have to deal with the possibility that this was brought in with the intent to cause a bomb scare. Again they want to have their facts straight before deciding and declaring anything. In the current "We hate the police" society they are checking and double checking themselves. Taking less risks and refusing to commit until they're sure. Frankly it's interfering with their ability to keep the peace.

    This is the last post I'm making on that topic. I cannot convince you and you cannot convince me.
     
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    I was thinking of the old school "beeper" bomb.


    Thanks, I didn't know that. My explosive knowledge bases is limited to those using a lighter and a waterproof fuse.


    Didn't they have that on one of the episodes of "Are you smarter than a 5th grader"...Or, in this case, a 9th grader.
     
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    Damn! I hated Generic class, barely passed it. :)
     
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    Let us now analyze refugees by numbers shown in a graph below. In some cases driving force for migration is poverty, but, obviously, destruction and wars are the main reasons people are fleeing from their homes. Meanwhile, the number of countries openly involved in slaughter increases. The crisis is worsening. This is not Jihad as some want to present the conflict at the ME. This is a new Crusade.
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    After events in Paris this evening they might want to turn around.
     
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    Younger kids get suspended for eating their sandwiches into gun shapes, pizza into gun shapes, pointing their finger into gun shapes, playing with toy guns, hugging, kissing, love letters etc etc.
    But some brat brings a bomb looking box to school...also we must consider who his father is, past history of clock boy and his sister, the fact he won't allow the school to discuss the case- speaks volumes...and that Bama kind of endorsed the act. Thought he was going to repeat the -clock boy "could have been my son" bs again.
     
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    USMCPrice Idiot at Large

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    100+ dead in Paris, multiple, coordinated attacks. Hostages being executed. Suicide bombers. The attackers claiming they are ISIS, shouting this is for Syria and Allahu Akbar. Nope, I really don't want any Syrian refugees here. Take them, then don't cry when the same happens here.
     
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    if true, as I stated many, many posts ago--this refugee-immigration issue is a security problem!....juliet foxtrot charlie! november sierra....I'm very surprised this hasn't happened at a sporting event in the US....every sane US citizen agrees with Price----no refugees, ..and I say cut immigration big time
     
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    excellent point.....I'd like to know who paid for his trip to the White House?? if taxpayers, Bamy doesn't give a crap about the taxpayers..Bamy has done a lot of anti American stuff....this included
     

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