Discussion in 'The Stump' started by GRW, Mar 22, 2017.
Yes, but ... Who STILL do that?
You're arround 300 millions ...1% ... How many M. live now in GB, in Germany.. in Belgium? ... Have you ever heard about "no go zones" there ?
Other way it seems that Spain/Portugal have ben able to manage this new population far better than they neighbours. May be it's a matter of envy , we have a lot of poor people so they don't get as frustrated than in other places ... or simply ... we're related to semitic populations of NA... no racial issues... Who knows.
Some Ethiopian Jews and Christians in Nigeria and Kenya for example.
Not bothered about camels, but muslim immigration has brought us Bengali "Indian" restaurants, kebab shops as well as many staff in our hospitals and businesses.
Sharia (Islamic) law is no different to Halakhah (Jewish) Law. These are both legal codes adopted by followers of a particular faith to resolve civil disputes. Aspects of both are inconsistent with British civil law, but are widely used as long as both parties agree. Jewish customs can cause as much human rights outrage as sharia; such as when a British Civil court agreed that a transgender Jewish father should have no access to his children because of the stigma that would attach to them in a strict orthodox community. Transgender ultra-Orthodox case reveals painful clash of minority communities
While I agree we are not knee deep in blood the sheer number of attacks and thwarted plots over the last 20-25 years by this 3 million seems well out of proportion when balanced against homegrown terrorist actors.
!993 WTC (the little one), 6 KIA, 1,000+ WIA
2000 Millennium Plots, No casualties, but LAX and USS Sullivans were targeted
2001 9-11 ( the big one), 3,000 KIA, 6,000+ WIA
2002 LAX Airport Shooting, 2 KIA, 4 WIA
2002 Jose Padilla, No casualties but convicted of aiding and funding terrorist activities
2002 Buffalo Six, No Casualties, but convicted of aiding foreign terrorist groups
2004 Financial Buildings Plot, No Casualties, but 7 Convicted
2005 LA Bomb Plot, No Casualties, 4 Convicted
2006 Hudson River Plot, No Casualties
2006 Sears Tower Plot, No Casualties, 5 Convicted
2006 Seattle Jewish Federation Shooting, 1 KIA, 5 WIA
2006 Toledo Terror Plot, No Casualties
2006 UNC SUV Attack, 9 Injured slightly
2007 Fort Dix Attack Plot, No Casualties
2007 JFK Airport Plot, No Casualties.
2009 Little Rock Recruiting Center Shooting, ! KIA,1 WIA
2009 Bronx Terror Plot, No Casualties
2009 Dallas car bomb Plot, No Casualties
2009 New York Subway Plot, No Casualties
2009 Fort Hood Shooting, 13 KIA, 30+ WIA
2009 Jihad Jane Arrest, No Casualties
2011 Manhattan Terror Plot, No Casualties
2011 NY-NJ Pipe Bomb Plot, No Casualties
2012 Florida Car Bomb Plot, No Casualties
2013 Boston Marathon Bombing, 3 KIA, 260 WIA
2013 Wichita Airport Plot, No Casualties
2014 Vaughan Foods Beheading, I KIA, 1 WIA
2014 Ali Muhammad Brown Murder Spree, 4 KIA
2015 Boston Beheading Plot, No Casualties
2015 Curtis Culwell Center Shootings, 1 WIA
2015 Chattanooga Shootings, 5 KIA, 2 WIA
2015 San Bernardino Shootings, 14 KIA, 22 WIA
2016 Orlando Nightclub Shooting, 49 KIA, 53 WIA
2016 NY-NJ Bombings, #! WIA
2016 Minnesota Mall Mass Stabbings, 10 WIA
2016 Ohio State University Attack, 13 WIA
These incidents range from the Comic Opera to the most destructive terror attack in US-western history. A few seem to had more energy from questionable informants, yet underpinning them all is people willing at least to enact Islamic terrorist violence and show no indication of slowing or stopping. You have to go back to the heyday of the Klan to find anything close.
Every religion has had its period of intolerance of other religion's, but sadly in the world we currently live in it is Islam that seems to be leading the pack in this, both at home and worldwide. It was a over reaction to intern nearly all Japanese-Americans after Pearl Harbor, but then again it would be unwise to have allowed in tens or hundreds of thousands of Japanese to enter the country as well.
At 3 million Muslim's represent about 1% of the US population, evidence from Europe tends to indicate that when the percentage of Muslim's approaches 10% the agitation for special considerations (calls for Sharia law in some form) dramatically increase. One of the more disturbing trends of recent Islamic terrorism in the US is the home grown aspect of its participants. Any dramatic increase in Muslim immigration, especially from countries where fundamentalism is the norm, invites a corresponding increase in Islamic inspired violence and with the accepted US Mid-East policy likely to remain in force there seems little chance Muslim's extremist's will lose the desire for Jihad any time soon.
I'd much rather see the money used to relocate a significant increase in Muslim immigration be used in the region to offer direct aid there so that people who have lived for generations immemorial there can remain there, or at least close. There they have common customs and languages that they don't here. History has shown that mass migrations have never been kind to those already there when the culture and language is so radically different. We have our own history in North America as precedent.
belasar, I forgot an all important "not" in my original post. It changes the context entirely and my statement actually makes sense now.
Actually I only intended to quote Takao
Whoooeeee! Red Herring alert! Red Herring alert!
This is comparing apples to orangutans. It's often brought up to attack the US in response to aggression of other parties.
Here is a fun example:
Guy #1: I disagree with the the levels of violence in Christianity.
Guy #2: Yes but have you seen the military history of Djbouti?
Guy #1: What? Is that even relevant?
Guy #2: GOTCHA!
I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Many of the earlier religions didn't seem to from my readings.
The question of course is how applicable that is to the US. A lot of the discontent in Muslim communities world wide seem to stem from a lack of opportunity (often accompanied by corruption).
Are they statistically relevant? How many arrests have been reported in these communities? Oh attention, there were cannibals in NG ... Are you worry about them?
You asked "Who STILL do that" and I answered. For your further enlightenment, there are many sites on the internet dealing with this subject.
This is comparing human aggression to human aggression. Violence to Violence.
When you are posting Goerge Carlin monologues to back your argument, your dogma is showing.
Sorry, but I do not own a dog, but both my neighbors do. Though, I am not sure if they are ma dogs or pa dogs. They do show themselves now and again, but thankfully are not the barky types.
It is funny though.
Exactly why I posted it.