Interesting facts on the weapons of WWII

yeah thats where i saw it. mail call right?

 

Yeah.

 

" You mean our 76 won´t knock these Panthers out? I thought it was going to be the wonder gun of the war. Why is it I´m always the last to hear about this stuff? Ordnance told me this 76 would take care of anything the Germans had. Now I find you can´t knock out a damn thing with it!"

Ike after first encounters with Panthers

From Yeide´s " The tank killers"

 

Kai - id 4gotten how irrit8ing PFC Wilks and 'Gen. Patton' were.....

Back to the point, I've often wondered why the 76 was introduced when it seemed to offer so little advantage over the original 75....

One of these days I must study the 'Firefly' a little more.

 

When in the IS-2 begin take take picture..

and the IS-3? O.O




And can I get some random tank killing ration?

like 1 panzerIV for 1 sherman? or w.e

 

All Heavy Tank Regiments had been reequipped from the KV-1 to IS-2 in February '44. The IS-3 did not enter service in time for the war. It appears one regiment was sent East for the Japanese held Manchuria invasion (Op. August Storm) but this is not certain. What is certain was that they did appear in the Berlin Victory Parade of Sept. 7 '45, 52 of them!

 

How much Combat did the IS-2?

Any good battles they we're in?

 

As heavy breakthrough tanks the IS-2 was in the spearhead of ALL battles from the beginning of 1944 onwards. The list is too long

See more in http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=50

 

sweeeeeet


still looking for some kind of ratio.

 

Finding ratios are a more difficult exercise, there is the famous 1 Tiger / 5 Shermans but the base for that is rather vague. And what does it mean anyway? Does one take one battle or one days event if the battle takes more than one day and calculate 'x' Shermans and 'y' M-24s KOed against 'k' StuGs, 'l' Hetzers, 'm' Pz IVs, 'n' Panthers dead? First I don't think this will be easy to find, working from both sides, and then will the data make any sense?

I wouldn't go that way.

 

yikes!

 

Was the Jagdtiger any good? Im a fan of big tanks.

 

That's a good point Za, I've heard these "figures" in every group, and have mistakenly quoted them before I realized the frivality of the source.
I kinda think it depends more on the crew/pilot/captain than the machine. The best do tend to gravitate to the best machines for the simple reason that they know what is best, (and get the opportunity)(to save the best operators)(to avoid the blow to morale with their loss).
Best in best alters the status of best to extraordinary superb. Then when one of these gets crushed/shot down/sunk it's a shock.
On any "Sunday", as the football saying goes, a loser can become a giant killer.
The "Majic Bullet", the "Golden BB", (as some pilots say).
I don't think any numbers are "pat", dependable because of the too many varibles that always exist.
A Tiger (after devouring a platoon of Shermans) could be looking out for airplanes and get bushwacked from behind. A Stalin could decimate some StuGs and get nailed by (magnetic mine) infantry. A Cromwell could flank a couple of Panthers and get an "egg" dropped on it from a Stuka. Who knows all the details?
Final numbers and then divide? These are "phoney" numbers for politicians to quote. Not what happens, these are what happened. Overall is not battle by battle, day by day, second by second.
When was the field empty with these exact numbers under perfect conditions?
Never?
Never say never. Unlikely...at best.

 

I agree, SW. Things would have been much simpler if the warring nations had lined up say 100 Shermans on one side and 100 Panthers on the other and counted what's left after the dust settled. However we were not obliged with this so operational research must work some other way.

Hawkerace, we have already spoken on that subject here a number of times. It appears the main conclusions are: the JT was way too heavy and road dependent, was a waste of resources as it spent an enourmous mount of fuel, had terrible mechanical reliability due to excess weight (trannies going to hell), and anyway only a piffling number was built, total 85 or thereabouts, whereas the much lighter for the same calibre JS-2 was limited to 250 each month.

Use the forum search feature,you will find stuff like:
http://ww2f.com/showthread.php?t=12441&page=2&highlight=jagdtiger

Actually, the forum search (on the blue horizontal bar at the top) will always turn up with the most interesting and unexpected stuff due to the amount of learned opinion already poured on this forum. I do recommend it!

 

Nice, this accurately reflects most of the 'best tank' type discussions on the web, though you forgot the other popular scenario of 1 Tiger against 1000 shermans :tiger: . People make some mental statement based on nothing and really seem to see the war in terms of the above comparison,... maddening at first but after a while it does become quite funny.

As for the Jagdtiger? Outside of one's immediate tactical influence, (presuming it hasn't broken down or shattered a drive sprocket)... an irrelevance.

Cheers,
Adam.

 

Ok I see how it is


I just love to learn and read what you guys have to reply.

 

i was wondering doesnt the Japanese Randy fighter have a tail gunner?

 

Yes, he is armed with a 12.7mm Type 1 (Japanese manufacture Browning) machinegun.

 

You guys got anything on the SU-76 "the bitch"?

 

Yes, go to the same website I sent you the other day.

http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=62&Itemid=50

or use your initiative and Google it up yourself.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-42,GGLJ:en&q=su%2d76

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