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Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by Sloniksp, Sep 12, 2007.

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  1. Herr Oberst

    Herr Oberst Member

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    My point exactly....yet unfortunately, not true with the US ,where lying traitors will do anything, including destroying their own country, to be elected. These ideolistic, inexperienced fools, Dumocrats, are more trouble than they are worth.
     
  2. Erich

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    well colonel I believe the present runners on the repub ticket also need to prove themselves. looks to me that there are rotten eggs on both side of the platform ~ the time is running out fast ~
     
  3. Sloniksp

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    To play the devil's advocate here, one of the US's greatest if not the greatest president's was a Democrat, Roosevelt. ;)

    Didnt come off as a traitor or fool to me, but what do I know. ;)


    Iraq dead: 3801
     
  4. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Aquila non capit muscas

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    That may be 3801 US servicemen dead in Iraq, but how many Iraqi? Killed by other Iraqi or imports?
     
  5. Sloniksp

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    Some sources claim that total Iraqi deaths since the beginnig of the war may be as high as 500,000
     
  6. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I'm not particularly fond of Roosevelt in his first 8 years. On the domestic front, his attempts to turn around the depression failed. The economy was almost twice as bad off in 1938 as in 1933. The looming war, an improving balance of trade and looser money supply (governed by the Fed Reserve) is what helped resolve the economic problems. His institution of the withholding income tax and it's broadening to lower income classes pulls his ranking WAY down. But then again, I'm not fond of the income tax, but that is another thread.

    As far as the war is concerned, he did an admirable job. He put good people in the right spots militarily, told them generally what he wanted done, then let them do it. The European war might have been different had Herr Schnicklegruber done the same thing.*

    I would not rate FDR as the greatest because of his socialist domestic policies, and as you might have gotten an inkling of, I am not a socialist.

    * I'm not saying Germany would have won, I'm just saying the war would have been different, maybe lasting longer, etc.


    American dead WWII 407,300
     
  7. Kerem

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    A small print for The Red Rabbi:eek::D
     
  8. Herr Oberst

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    No, He was the US greatest Communist;) Started the whole mess we're in.

    Followed by a sucession of terrible Presidents

    Kennedy, Johnson, Carter(the worst) and Clinton(impeached)

    All have done nothing to make the country better except Kennedy and the Space program.

    Eisenhower was one of the Best presidents along with Teddy Roosevelt.

    Erich, I see you don't mind the government taking your hard earned cash. Have fun with Hillary care!

    About the dead thing, we get it, it's a war.
     
  9. Erich

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    colonel I've worked for the govt many times............as to hard earned cash ? what cash ?

    no-one at this point in time knows what will happen in 08, I think the Demos have a good shot at it and even if they pull it off does not mean and total pull out of Iraq. Iran/Syria are both threats and in fact in my opinion all the mid-east nations surrounding Israel.

    It's pretty sick when some little 10 year old Palestinian kid comes up to you and says he'd like to see you dead
     
  10. chocapic

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    Totally agree, not only for the way he lead USA during WWII, but also for his New Deal economical policy, American pragmatism at its finest :)
     
  11. Erich

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    do a futhere study on Roos and you will find he had a Commie leading with Stalin. Churchill was beside himself over this...........it is very little known, one reason why the US/British forces were not keen on going straight to Berlin the die was already cast. My WW2 age parents have a real hard time when I bring this up and is it has always been accepted what a fine upright man he was............. NOT
     
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    I don't understand the meaning of this sentence.
     
  13. Erich

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    friend I was meaning Rossevelt had secret ties with Stalin and his government. Churchill and his cabinet knew and could nothing, Europe was being split up right between his eyes

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  14. TA152

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    I have to say I am very disappointed in the Democrat controlled congress. I had thought they would do something to get out of Iraq but so far they have been an impotent force against the Bush administration. It does not make the leadership look very well. Who knows, perhaps a Republican will win in 2008 since the Democrats can't get their act together.
     
  15. Erich

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    TA how about an independent ? ................. nah probably not
     
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    Oprah Winfree for prez ! :eek:
     
  17. Erich

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    Yikes please God NO !!! ~

    I wonder about Fred Thompson or is he full of air .......... ? haven't really heard him and his stand on any issues
     
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    To be honest, im not sure that a full US withdrawl from Iraq at this point would solve anything. The current situation in Iraq is nightmare, withdrawal at the present time might very well make things worse...

    This is not Vietnam, where the population will forgive or forget what happend after the US leaves and become friends. It appears the situation is far more delicate and complicated. The truth of the matter is that the US is STUCK in Iraq with no solution in sight, which makes this war a disaster.
     
  19. Stefan

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    I agree Slon, I think the shifting of UK troops to Afganistan is fairly essential (our current rate of commitment is totally unsustainable) but the US will need to keep troops there for quite a while.
     
  20. chocapic

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    Churchill wrote a lot, after the facts, that Roosevelt and him should have been more greedy against Stalin, well, Roosevelt would probably have written the same if he had survived the war.

    About Roosevelt being more or less Communist, well... the only things I found so far are the usual McCarthy-style outadted fantasies, or other things so weird (Lincoln was Communist, or the ever refreshing "Roos was sold to the Commies, when he should have allied with Germany to eradicate communism" lol) that even Mac Carthy would consider their authors are suitable cases for a thorazin treatment :D

    So I'd like a few suggestions of serious sources on the subect (even via MP) because – I'm not ironic here – apart from the basic-stuff-you-learn-at-school, I might have missed an important aspect of Roosevelt's personality (and even might change my avatar as a consequence lol).

    Now, closing the Roosevelt page with my apologies.
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    Back to subject, the partition plan voted by the Senate has just been rejected by the white House.
     
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