ISIS strikes, any effect?

I wouldn´t send anything in this barrel without bottom, the weapons will go the wrong hands again like so many times before. There is no easy solution imho. And how can these guys fight with milans etc. ? They need 2-3 months training at least. Leopards ? lol. Guess you don´t know how complicated modern tanks have become, they are no simple T34s anymore, which maybe can be learned in 2 weeks.

What I also find curious, it seems in any conflict on earth some guys want to send weapons or even troops. Have some of you considered to send diplomats and talk to people? Not in this ISIS example maybe, cause they seem to be fanatics. But any other conflicts, your "solution" seems to be weapons......strange. Some of you guys work at the waepons industry maybe?

 

Bundesluftwaffe, Peshmerga are getting training and they have been using milans fairly effectively. You should know Germans have been in KRG area for at least one month training. I know Leopards are a dream. Peshmerga are no ISF, much less chance for weapons to end in the wrong hands. They capture weapons.
Please observe as Peshmerga continue to clean up ISF mess in Ninawah Governate. ISF is used to surrendering Mosul as they did in 2003 when they also cut and ran. Shame.

 

http://uk.businessinsider.com/king-abduallh-of-jordan-is-a-total-badass-2015-2

 

Sorry I should stay out of this topic, I have not enough info on the situation and even don´t know who is who there (peshmerga ? good or bad, no idea). I reserched other matters tbh. Which seems more pressing at the moment (Ukraine, EU-crisis etc). But wanted to point out, it might be not the best to send weapons without having control over them, they might change hands severall times and finally the bad guys get them....

Weelll: "Female pilot to blame for the crash of Jordanian pilot???"

http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/islamischer-staat/vorwuerfe-in-arabischen-medien-war-emirate-pilotin-am-absturz-des-jordaniers-beteiligt_id_4458877.html

 

Topic moved to the stump (this is heavily politically involved , or it will be anyway) .

 

My point exactly. We can only hope that the current military tactics and personnel will suffice

 

lots of weapons sent lots of places....mmmm

 

Yes, I think the coalition forces should hit them as hard as possible. Any damage done to them is a victory itself. I still don't believe that only air strikes will wipe them off the surface of the globe and ground troops are needed to end their madness. But, as someone pointed out in this thread, of course there are already ground forces executing special missions, but I really don't know is that enough. It is much better than nothing obviously.

I don't know what the solution is, maybe arming the Kurds and other ISIS enemies will be enough and that's what they're doing at the moment I guess.

 

The Peshmerga are the fighting arm of the Kurds. The Kurds are an ethnic group, ie; not a religious group. They are mostly Muslim, but there are Yazidi Kurds, Christian Kurds, Jewish Kurds. They are all Kurds and do not discriminate about religion, which is something unique in the middle east. The outlook is generally very western. Women are not veiled or treated as chattel.

 

Something's having an effect!
"The Islamic State is experiencing a shortage of suicide bombers after dozens of fighters deserted the terror group or defected to rival militias.
Reports from inside the ISIS-stronghold of Raqqa claim that a rebellion among a 'martyrs battalion' is a severe blow to the ISIS leadership who recruit foreign fighters for their suicide operations.
According to the respected anti-ISIS activists, Raqqa Is Being Slaughtered Silently, ISIS has seen dozens of militants earmarked for suicide operations flee the battlefield or defect to other groups."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2945724/ISIS-experiencing-shortage-suicide-bombers-dozens-fighters-desert-terror-group-defect-rival-militias.html#ixzz3RFynVR49

 

I doubt if a few spooks are going to be enough. It'd be nice if they were, but I don't believe it.

When I say boots on the ground, I mean visible boots, that police, that keep the peace, that prevent crime lords, racketeers, and bullies from terrorising the normal person. That keep corruption to a minimum. That protect, and are seen to do so.

Say these spooks destabilize ISIS, so it collapses. Who do we expect to fill in the void after ISIS? Kurd? Shia? Sunni? Bathists? FSA? All of the above? What happens then? Do we go back to ignoring these bickering groups, then the kidnappings can start again, while we wait for the next Caliph to reappear?

 

Well there is certainly a fair amount of counter evidence to this. For one thing the air strikes have allowed the Kurds to not only stabalize thier front with ISIS but sucessfully counter attack in some areas. The air strikes also seem to be hurting ISIS's ability to support it self and to move troops and equipment around not to mention the problems caused by loss of equipement, supplies, leaders, and trained personel. See:
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/syria/articles/20150131.aspx
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/syria/articles/20150115.aspx
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/iraq/articles/20150120.aspx

Although this one points to some "boots on the ground" Canadian in this case:
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htinf/articles/20150208.aspx

 

the Jordanians are pissed!!

 

But weren´t the Kurds and the Turkish enemies ? Or did they make peace to battle ISIS together ? I mean if the "west" arms the Kurds, what does Turkey say to this, weren´t they in a kind of border war?

 

One branch of the Kurds (that live in Turkey) have elements that have been pushing for greater autonomy. Some politically and some violently. I believe for instance that there are some Kurds in the Turkish parliment, although not many. The Turks were a little nervouse about allowing armed Kurds to transit Turkey to get from the Kurdish areas in Iraq to the ones in Syria. Eventually they agreed to let them. The strategy page had a series of articles that covered it pretty well. Note that there are groups of Kurds that don't get along very well. The ones in Iraq have achieved a significant level of autonomy which they would like to maintain and possibly increase so they aren't always happy about the Kurds in Turkey or Iran making too many waves and the latter often thing that the former should be supporting them more. I think most of them see a chance now of creating a similar area in Kurdish controlled Syria and possibly expanding the one in Iraq so most are on board with that and disinclined to push things in Iran or Turkey.

It's the Mideast so nothing is simple.

 

The Turks are on ISIS' side. Erdogan is funneling men and supplies through Turkey to aid ISIS. So.... Screw the Turks. Maybe they'll wise up and dump Erdogan in the next election, but until then nobody should give a damn about what the Turks think.

 

Some relevant articles:
These focuses on ISIS but have some information with regards to the Kurds and Turkey:
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/syria/articles/20150115.aspx
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/syria/articles/20150131.aspx
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/syria/articles/20141227.aspx
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/syria/articles/20141030.aspx
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/syria/articles/20141209.aspx

These concentrate on the issue:
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/syria/articles/20141119.aspx
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/syria/articles/20141014.aspx
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/syria/articles/20141001.aspx
There are changes over time so watch the dates or it will get even more confusing.

 

Ah.......well Turkey is in Nato right ?


@ LWD: I guess your Info on this topic is better than on UKR crisis tbh

But I won´t hurt my head on this one cause the middle east crises are way too many and way to many factions involved to get a clear picture. I leave this to the experts. But maybe it would be the best to get out of there and let them fight each other. Problem if the bad ones get the oil resources or threaten Israel. I have no idea of this mess.

 

You have to have a plan of what to do to follow up. I'm not convinced that Western leaders have gotten that far, nor that the regional powers are truly willing to co-operate (with either the West, or each other) to create a proper, stable peace.

 

why? I mean why are the Turksfor ISIS?