Japan attacks USSR not USA

Indeed, how many farmers and other people on the ocuntryland did Stalin sent to the cities to built industrial facilities.

 

If he didnt, German tanks would sweep clean the Agracaltural Russia.

 

They did anyway. But that's not the point here.

We're trying to say that the Russian people didn't forget the horrible acts that Stalin did to them by sending them to the cities of Siberia.

 

Do not make a mistake of confusing those few 10's of Thousands that he did purge and the rest of the people.

I know for a fact that those who were not affected by purges/deportation did not have anything against Stalin. Well unless you count in every strugle nations people suffer while transitioning from an Agroculture to Industry based economy, which i think is irrelevant.

 

Irrelevant, Dima?

We have the luxury today of being able to say "its irrelevant", as we weren't there at the time. Never underestimate the angst in a community in a time of massive upheaval.


Anyone have the stats on the number of people killed and jailed during the purges?

 

Found a figure, but one source istn't very reliable.

As ruler of the U.S.S.R. from 1929 to 1953, Joseph Stalin was in charge of Soviet policies during the early phase of the Cold War. Born Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili on December 21, 1879, he adopted the name Stalin, which means "Man of Steel," while still a young revolutionary.

Stalin first rose to power in 1922 as secretary general of the Communist Party. Using administrative skills and ruthless maneuvering, Stalin rid himself of all potential rivals in the party, first by having many of them condemned as "deviationists," and later by ordering them executed.

To ensure his position and to push forward "socialism in one country," he put the Soviet Union on a course of crash collectivization and industrialization. An estimated 25 million farmers were forced onto state farms. Collectivization alone killed as many as 14.5 million people, and Soviet agricultural output was reduced by 25 percent, according to some estimates.

In the 1930s, Stalin launched his Great Purge, ridding the Communist Party of all the people who had brought him to power. Soviet nuclear physicist and academician Andrei Sakharov estimated that more than 1.2 million party members -- more than half the party -- were arrested between 1936 and 1939, of which 600,000 died by torture, execution or perished in the Gulag.

Stalin also purged the military leadership, executing a large percentage of the officer corps and leaving the U.S.S.R. unprepared when World War II broke out. In an effort to avoid war with Germany, Stalin agreed to a non-aggression pact with German leader Adolf Hitler in August 1939.

When Hitler invaded the U.S.S.R. on June 22, 1941, Stalin was not seen or heard from for two weeks. After addressing the nation two weeks later, Stalin took command of his troops.

With the Soviet Union initially carrying the burden of the fighting, Stalin met with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt at Tehran (1943) and Yalta (1945), and with Churchill and Roosevelt's successor, President Harry S. Truman, in Potsdam (1945), dividing the postwar world into "spheres of influence."

Though the U.S.S.R. only joined the war against Japan in August 1945, Stalin insisted on expanding Soviet influence into Asia, namely the Kurile Islands, the southern half of Sakhalin Island and the northern section of Korea. More important, Stalin wanted to secure a territorial buffer zone that had ideologically friendly regimes along the U.S.S.R.'s western borders.

In the wake of the German defeat, the U.S.S.R. occupied most of the countries in Eastern Europe and eventually ensured the installation of Stalinist regimes. Stalin said later to Milovan Djilas, a leading Yugoslav communist, "Whoever occupies a territory also imposes his own social system." He believed that the Americans and the British "imperialism" would clash and eventually "socialism" would triumph.

After initially approving the participation by Eastern European countries in the U.S.-sponsored Marshall Plan (1947), Stalin forbade it. Stalin also sought to gain influence in Germany, though his exact goals remain controversial. Denied access to the western German occupation zones, he agreed to the establishment of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) in October 1949.

Encouraged by Communist victory in the Chinese Civil War and the establishment of the People's Republic of China in October 1949, Stalin gave the green light to North Korean leader Kim Il Sung to attack South Korea in June 1950.

His confrontational foreign policy and his domestic terror regime (the "Stalinist system") had an impact on Soviet society and politics well beyond the dictator's death of natural causes at age 73 on March 5, 1953


Found it on:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/kbank/profiles/stalin/

 

Stalin had a mania of "following" ( dont know correct translation of russian term).

He was also really mistrusting.

We deviated from the topic, btw

 

Stalin wastn't the only one who thought that everyting wanted to kill him or was plotting against him. So did Hitler.

 

I thought they weeped because they were free at last..not for sorrow.

I think if one compared the fear of your Generals taking the power from you, Hitler would have killed Goering, Goebbels,Bormann, Halder, Brauchitsch, Keitel,Jodl,Himmelr, Heydrich etc and then you could compare that Hitler was as afraid of a coup as Stalin. After 20th July 1944 Hitler was going crazy about the plotters, but Stalin got all his "friends" executed for the reason they might treason against him all the time when he was in power. And their families as well.And anyone related to them...That´s true paranoid dictatorship and a policy that kept him in power for some 35 years!

 

Japan would of faced a lot of snow and forests as well as partisans

 

Well they wouldn't have to conquer the whole of Siberia. Just conquer Vladivotstok and destroy the Trans Siberian Railway and the Russians couldn't transfer troops and supplies.

 

Germany would of won the war if he had moved on his advice from his genrals and not split the 5th and the 6th army (i think) and moved straight to moscow. but he waited against all of his genrals advice and moved the 5th army south to capture the oil fields.
so in my opinion hitler's worst enemy was him self and as stalin learnt early in the war to listen to his genrals hitler found out much to late that politacly he was a genius but as a genral he was useless and if the assasination atempt has worked i think nazi germany would he gone a lot better in the war.

 

In July 1944 the war for Germany was almost lost. They could have tried to make a good peace, but big victories would be very difficult, no to say impossible.