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Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte

Discussion in 'Wonder Weapons' started by Hawkerace, Feb 18, 2007.

  1. Totenkopf

    Totenkopf אוּרִיאֵל

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  3. AnEvilGuy

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    About the tallboy being dropped on it, it would obviously have fighter cover.... :rolleyes:

    Germany would have probably diverted the entire Luftwaffe to protecting it.

    They would it on the eastern front were it is need the most and it would pretty much own the open flat areas, crush trees in it's path, and blow away masses of Russian armor with it's multiple turrets.
     
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    I wouldn't even bother destroying it. Think about all the stuff this monster would need in order to keep running...

    It could be an even bigger success for the Allies than the Me163 or the V2.
     
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    God I hope you aren't serious :rolleyes:. LOL
     
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    The allies would have loved that. The entire Luftwaffe in was place so it can be annihilated. Splendid.
     
  8. JCFalkenbergIII

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    LOL "probably diverted the entire Luftwaffe " to protect one vehicle :rolleyes:.
     
  9. Joe

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    I doubt Goering would let that happen anyway.
     
  10. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Aquila non capit muscas

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    If he had any planes left...
     
  11. TiredOldSoldier

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    Not so absurd as it looks at first glance if you think 1942 instead of 1944. During the channel dash practically all the fighter force available in France was committed to protecing the naval squadron. The problems of knocking out a P.1000 by air attacks looks not that different from those of hitting warships or bridges, you need direct hits with heavy bombs on a very heavily protected target and that's not a sure thing even for 1960 far less 1940. I think it's wrong to look at it with modern "if I can see it I can kill it" logic, in WW2 that was not yet the rule.
    So a one or two days assault let by the thing (I refuse to call it a tank :D) may allow and advance of 10 to 30 kilometers which may be enough to get trough the "main line of resistance", if it did manage to get to the jump off line and if did not break/bog down after 10 meters. It would almost surely need a break for maintenance and repair after that. Is that what it was intended to do? As direct fire support for a regular panzer batallion it can probably destroy enemy strongpoints and the regular tanks would in turn protect it from enemy tanks and infantry, a bit like the early Tiger batallions included some Pz IIIn for protection on a bigger scale.
    But I'm most likely attempting to find some logic to a piece of sheer madness, the technology to make such a thing work did not exist in 1940.
     
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    Yeah, but in 1942 they had just idea, and first draws. It would take some time to develop prototype not saying about massive production.

    Anyway, I found two more links from game battlefield 1942, it looks incredible:
    YouTube - FHSW ver0.2α "Ratte Remod" Preview
    YouTube - Hier kommt die Ratte (BF1942 FHSW MOD)

    Well, I have this game and now I'm thinking about getting that mod, just to drive this tank.

    Cheers
     
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    Like I used to ask my boys when they were young. "You are trying to find logic in a CARTOON??" LOL
     
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    Thank you tiredsoldier, at least someone has common sense.

    Why does everyone think they would have deployed it on the western front? The eastern front is where they needed help the most.
     
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    I'm surprised to see this old chestnut being supported as viable.

    Any discussion of knocking it out is beyond the pail too. It would not require knocking out, there is no 'if' about whether it would break down all on it's own with no external intervention, even were it possible to build it in the first place.
    Maus & E100 would likely have proved near untenable in mobility terms, this thing would dwarf them in scale, and problems.

    It belongs in Manga.
    The Land battleship concept was rejected very early on in tank design for a dozen solid and sensible reasons. If it were a viable or even remotely intelligent concept I'm sure we'd have seen some variant of it crop up in the c.65 years since someone doodled up the P1000 & 1500.

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    ;) I guess it works in videogames :rolleyes:. LOL
     
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    "Not so absurd as it looks at first glance" my hind parts!

    Have you forgotten the lessons of WW2? Don't you remember the best anti-tank weapon the Western Allies had in 1944 was a B-26 Bomb Group over a French marshalling yard? Who needs to go for the brute, just hit the supplies train, makes a bigger bang and the Typphie boys love it :)

    Oh, and be careful of what you wish , for when Herr Krupp said Dora could hit tanks Adolf raised his brows! :p
     
  18. JCFalkenbergIII

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    HMMMM.... I dont recall "everyone" mentioning the Western Front.
     
  19. Triple C

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    In the unlikely event that the white mammoth could move:

    The Luftwaffe was losing badly by March 1943 over German skies in a desperate stand against escorted allied bomber fleets so I highly doubt the presence of any air cover at all. If this "panzer" deployed in the East, it'd probably sunk into mud, became immobilized and suffer a peremptory Soviet incirclement.
     
  20. TiredOldSoldier

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    My "not so absurd" was referred to a luftwaffe concentration to achieve local air superiority over a critical operation, it was still within their capability in 1942 and even 1943, just ask the British troops at Leros.
    As to the P.1000 it's absurd but fun :D the land battleship concept may have worked before precision air-ground munitions, after all armoured trains were used sucessfully even in early WW2. After the technology gave a 5 tonn plane a good chance of knocking out a 1000 tonn vehicle it no longer made any sense. On the other hand once you start putting 120mm guns on "normal" tanks who needs a P.1000? :p
     

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