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Discussion in 'WWII General' started by roscoe, Dec 16, 2013.

  1. LJAd

    LJAd Well-Known Member

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    Chapman Pincher,Peter Wright,blah blah :Angletonian nonsens .
     
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    LJAd Well-Known Member

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    Missing are the pictures of Daladier (well known right extremist) with Hitler,a,d of Stalin (secret member of the Monday Club) with Ribbentrop
     
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    dbf Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    But no different from many, many others. I can't see quite how it has any relevance, particularly as you simply won't explain.
    GG Colonel in Chief, for those who won't know: the then 18 yr old Princess Elizabeth. I think her age has a relevance here in response so I'm mentioning it. Just turned 18 in April '44 and still only heir to the throne, but according to you involved in ordering a Grenadier erm ... to do what precisely, and how?




    Another standard response from the conspiracy theorist's repertoire, but that really takes the biscuit. You don't like testimony of others who were there: ignored. You call a veteran of the NWE campaign who was decorated for his deeds, a coward.
    You can't or won't explain your own stance on these. Time to get off that particular high horse.



    Piecemeal and petty responses yet again from you but I'm presuming since - according to your profile - you lecture on Enigma that you are capable of writing something with an intro, an explanation and a conclusion, so why skip the first two parts here?

    VP was so right in his detailing of the methods of a 'conspiracy' poster. You keep trying to introduce more confusion, with nods and winks to this and that.

    You haven't answered his question either about your fondness for Irving?



    So, I am going repeat this, in vain hope:
    "How about a post with the whole thing laid out; stop rambling man, gather your thoughts for a big push?"
     
  4. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    Naar.He's on about Mountbatten. Thats enough for me...Bye.
     
  5. dbf

    dbf Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Surely it's the wrong prefix.
     
  6. roscoe

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    "National Socialism will use its own revolution for the establishing of a new world order." Edward VIII

    "Whatever happens, whatever the outcome, New World Order is going to come into the world...It will be buttressed with police power...When peace comes this time there is going to be a New World Order of social justice. It cannot be another Versailles." - Edward VIII

    "It bends governments to its will sometimes by promises, sometimes by threats. It has found its way into every class of Society, and forms an invisible and irresponsible power, an independent government, as it were, within the body corporate of the lawful state." - Pope Leo XIII, 1902

    OK so now the Pope is lying.
     
  7. roscoe

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    Meanwhile Carrington sat on his arse for SEVENTEEN HOURS. Hiding from a single Anti-tank gun and an irate American who'd just seen half his men killed in a daylight river crossing. Meanwhile VCs were being won by members of the 1st Airborne who were facing Nebelwerfers and Tiger Tanks.

    Repeated for effect - SEVENTEEN HOURS

    Short and to the point by request.
     
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    dbf Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Repeated for effect?
    :lol:


     
  9. roscoe

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    The Russians were still only at the Oder River when Carrington was sitting on his butt five miles from the Arnhem Bridge Remember that resources had been taken from Patton to supply Market Garden - CLICK for interview with Professor Antony Sutton .

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    Kissinger with Bilderberg badge 2004 Grand Hotel Des Iles Borromees
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    “Today, Americans would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow, they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil….individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by their world government.” Henry Kissinger speech secretly recorded in 1992 at Evian-les-Bains, France, 21-24 May .
     
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    dbf Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    No effect.

    Repeat.
     
  11. LJAd

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    Anthony Sutton : long time that we didn't heard of this piece of s...t:Wall Street and the Bolchevists,,Wall Street and Hitler,America's secret establishment /


    An other one who got his PhD at Fuller .. :bullshit:
     
  12. LJAd

    LJAd Well-Known Member

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    The Pope is lying ?

    1)In 1902,the Pope was 92 years,thus,...

    2) The Pope was talking about the ,in his point of view,to great power of industrialists and capitalists

    3)The power of the industrialists and capitalists has been broken : Bryan won.

    4) Curiously,or not,this was the last interview of Sutton :probably,the press is not allowed at Fuller

    5) Sutton is claiming that the Pope was speaking about an invisible government,and,as we know that Sutton is only a civilised Tarpley, I am not willing to believe what Sutton is saying,unless it can be proved .
     
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    This.

    :headbash:
     
  14. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Okay, my eyes are glazed over and I remain fully unconvinced with the OP's contention.

    dbf and others have requested this:

    One of the nice things about being the administrator, I can ask the same thing with a reasonable expectation of getting a proper response.

    Roscoe, I would like a proper response to dbf's request.
     
  15. roscoe

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    Carrington sat on his arse for SEVENTEEN HOURS thus ensuring complete failure of Market Garden and, because it drew in scarce vital resources, the halting of Patton's advance too.

    This allowed the Soviets to advance into Eastern Germany.
     
  16. roscoe

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    MacMillan was a member of the Focus Group. Hell bent on starting a war with Adolf Hitler.
     
  17. roscoe

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    Alas it's all too regular to hear another example of Cognitive Dissonnance.
     
  18. LJAd

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    This allowed the Soviets to advance into Eastern Germany.

    Wrong and irrelevant
     
  19. roscoe

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    So what was the immediate effect of the failure of Market Garden and the halting of Patton's advance due to resources being diverted to a failed operation?

    What would have happened if the Western Allies had been inside the Ruhr in late 1944?

    The Soviets didn't make it to the Oder River until January 22nd 1945, Market Garden was in September 1944.

    Yes the very lucrative Cold War (war is good for business) wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for one man ordering his unit to sit on its arse for SEVENTEEN HOURS
     
  20. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Okay, Roscoe, one more time.

    "How about a post with the whole thing laid out; stop rambling man, gather your thoughts for a big push?"

    Make it happen and don't pee on my leg and try to tell it is raining.
     

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