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Michael Vick reinstated by NFL

Discussion in 'Sport & Athletics' started by JagdtigerI, Jul 27, 2009.

  1. brndirt1

    brndirt1 Saddle Tramp

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    And got rid of him as well.
     
  2. luketdrifter

    luketdrifter Ace

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    Vick is NOT a great player. He was an over rated, over valued player. He set the bar for the new style of run first pass, well if his career pass rating is an indication, 3rd, of QB. Already going by the way-side. The calm, pocket passing, rocket arm guy is back in command as he should be. The fact this POS is getting another chance at the NFL is a disgrace. I hold that assclown commissioner in much less reguard than I did before. I cheer for the Lions, and even at 0-16, at least they had credibility. Michael Vick is a disgrace not only to the NFL, but to anyone who works hard for their money, and humanity as a whole. I hope he not only fails epically, but he gets hit by a an Animal Control truck while crossing a street.
     
  3. macker33

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    Yeah,i heard about him on sports radio tonight,
    Sicko,hes a bad man,not so much for the dog fighting but for the reason that he would kill a dog because he would get fed up and feel disappointed.

    Hes only supposed to be and average player in decline anyway.
     
  4. R. Evans

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    While I agree with your assessment of Vick as a player, the NFL and it's commissioner really have no choice but to allow Vick to play again. He served his time and that's what the law requires. To "outlaw" him from his chosen profession would probably open the NFL up to a lawsuit that Vick would, in all likelyhood, win. The NFL's policy doesn't allow for banning a player for his first offense. Unfortunately, he gets to play.

    Besides Philly is the perfect place for him. What fans are going to be tougher on him than Eagle fans? Remember these are the same fans that booed Santa Claus. They'll be merciless at his first mistake.
     
  5. D1J1

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    Folks who have done worse, at least IMO, have been punished less. Mr. Stallworth kills a human being, repeat, HUMAN BEING, and gets 30 DAYS in jail and a year suspension.

    Mr. Vick was no angel and his crime is horrendous but the basis of our system is to try and put offenders back as productive members of society. Some learn from experience and some do not.

    I'm in wait and see mode.

    Reports I've heard indicate the Donovan McNabb was among Mr. Vick's strongest lobbyists.

    Regards,
    Dennis
     
  6. Mussolini

    Mussolini Gaming Guru WW2|ORG Editor

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    What about all the drug offenses by NFL players? If anything, being caught doing Steroids should be a lifetime ban (or at least 2 years) from the NFL as (unlike dogfighting) it gives you an advantage over other players. Look at Cycling - you get caught doing any sort of doping you get a 2 year ban. A second offense gets you a lifetime ban. The NFL should follow along those lines, not just slap the player on the wrist and let him continue his ways.
     
  7. mikebatzel

    mikebatzel Dreadnaught

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    While I agree, It will never happen. What would happen is star players get suspended, followed by TV Ratings and game attendance drops followed by the loss of sponsors etc. A viscous cycle that the NFL doesn't look forward to dealing with.
     
  8. R. Evans

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    Guys, remember that Vick was involved in dogfighting and while that's disgusting, to say the least, no person was killed. I personally think that he should be banned for life and thrown into a pit with very hungry dogs. However there's a person playing today, and still getting accolades for being a great player, who was involved in a MURDER. He was never punished and his role was never made clear. Ray Lewis should've been banned also but got off scott-free. All he got was a year's probation for obstruction of justice and missed no playing time in the NFL. Where's the NFL's priorities?
     
  9. mikebatzel

    mikebatzel Dreadnaught

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    Well guys, The game last night went a bit difrently than I had imagined. Vick got used much diffrently then I had thought that he would. He didn't do any running that I had noticed, then again, I could have been gone for another beer if he did:D. Around the third quarter McNabb got a bit shaky with his passing, and It didn't take very long for chants of "We want Vick" to eminate from the crowd. Overall, I thought he did as expected. Give him a few plays, keep it conservative, and just see how he does. In that role I thought he did well.
     
  10. brndirt1

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    I only watched the "highlights", and Vick's arm looked pretty zippy to my eyes. I had never thought of him as that strong a passer, but maybe that is only evident on the shorties?

    I too believe if he and McNabb can get along, and Vick is used properly he might just be an asset to the Eagles. Especially in the "wildcat" formations which they lacked the ability to take advantage of last year. I still think Vick is the second or third QB at best, maybe Kolb and he might have "issues", but I figure McNabb is in the top slot until he want to quit or gets traded or something.
     
  11. D1J1

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    Vick has an arm like a cannon. That makes him a thrower, not a passer. He hasn't ever demonstrated the latter with consistency in the NFL.

    I agree completely with R. Evans. Throw Dante Stallworth in on those who have taken a life. Vick misses two years and some suspension time for fighting/killing dogs. Stallworth gets 30 days and 1 year suspension for killing a human while DUI. Priorities, hmmm???

    Regards,
    Dennis
     
  12. R. Evans

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    Yes, Stallworth needs to be banned for life also. I will say, somewhat in his defense, that he is owning up to his tragic mistake and doing and saying all the right things. Whether or not he's sincere is another story, but he does seem to be trying to make amends. Still a lifetime ban is in order. Meanwhile Ray Lewis plays on....:mad:
     
  13. mikebatzel

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    Guys, People make mistakes. I've seen the average joe get less time than Stallworth for the same crime. While we may look at the NFL or any other sport as a sport and entertainment, the fact remains that it is still a buisness and as such needs employees. People with a particular skill set that you and I simply do not posses. Some of the infractions are more serious than others. I still don't think that a person who has made such a mistake should be banned for life. Think about it this way, I get a DUI, should I lose my job and be banned from the field of work I've been in almost my entire working life? You may not think it is fair, but what happens when it is you who needs a second chance?
     
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    I agree Mike, sometimes they are just "accidents". It is true Stallworth should have known better than to drive drunk, but that happens more often than people like to admit. Not just the celebrities are guilty of this flaw, they just get more ink.

    When the gal who founded MAD got a DUI, it also made the press eventhough she harmed no-one when it happened. But her name made it news. I've had two DUI in my life of driving since 1963, one I really did deserve and the other one I was pissed I got. That last one happened back in 1994 when I had stayed at home for the first Monday Night football game, and got drunk with my friends and went to bed.

    About 2:30 in the morning another guy calls up and his car won't start, and he is up at a bar that is closed. I got out of bed, got dressed, drove up there, and while my truck was charging his battery up a tad so we could start him up, we had a couple of beers.

    This put me back over the limit of .08, and of course I pulled out of a bar's parking lot right in front of a cop at 3:45 am. Lights on, arrested on the spot. I should 'a stood in bed.
     
  15. LRusso216

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    Mike, I agree with most of what you say about Stallworth and others. However, the reality is that, as a teacher, had I gotten a DUI and killed another person, I'm pretty sure I would have lost my job. Any infraction involving drugs or alcohol was seen as pretty significant. That said, I have no real problem with people like Stallworth who seem genuinely contrite. I'm withholding judgment on Michael Vick until I see how he responds.
     
  16. R. Evans

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    Another factor in Stallworth's case is the fact that the man he killed lurched into traffic almost from nowhere. From every account I've read, a completely sober individual would've had a hard time not hitting the man. Maybe that was taken into consideration when Stallworth received his sentence. In no way am I defending Stallworth, but other factors seem to be in play when he was handed his sentence and NFL suspension.
     

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