MiG-19 versus F-100 Super Sabre?

For home defence purposes, the WW2 Luftwaffe fitted self-destruct fuzes to their aircraft cannon ammo - they would blow up after about 1,000m or so. The same would have been routine for all AA cannon - you don't want to shell yourself, after all. Nothing you can do about .50 cal bullets, though - they came down in one piece. Fortunately for the Americans, it was never their country that their bullets landed in...

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A little dig there in that last comment perhaps? It's unwise to use the term never. Of course 50 caliber bullets did indeed fall on Hawaii.
It was also foreign soil where most of the US WW II dead were buried.

 

All AA misiles and shells explode after some thime (not just AA,modern RPG allso) so basicly not much drop on the ground,and there is anotther reason,air blast can DMG planes allso.Most of modern ground to air misiles dont aim in plain,they calculate best position to explode in air,coz it is higher chance that will shoot down the craft.

 

True. The aircraft is one thing, but you put me and a trained fighter in a simulation and I'd have a hard time getting off the ground (strafing practise for them.....) much less flying the thing and shooting them down- even if I knew what half displays meant. Fighters are a little more complicated than a Cessna 172.

 

The Mig-19 still shows it's complete superiority in every area over it's useless, hunk-of-junk, waste-of-money compeititor. The jet that obviously wins is the Mig.

 

No more than a mild joke - I sit corrected, although I suspect that most of the .50 bullets which fell on Hawaii came from the Navy's AA guns.

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So, does everyone agree that the Mig 19 is far superior to the hunk of junk American contender?

 

Whell it is pretty obviosly.Only thing where f-100 can match MIG-19 was low altitude dogfight,and faster diving (weight),and slight betther aiming system,but MIG wins all otther aspect.

 

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before going big on today , what was the score mig-21 versus phantom

there were, I believe, a few meetings in the middle east
around the sixties seventies .


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Here's a helpful link Jeaguer... that is if you have the patience to sift through the statistics...

incomplete list of Air to air victories in the Middle East
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/cat_index_22.shtml

incomplete list of Air to air victories in Indochina
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/cat_index_17.shtml

Lots of them attributable to the Mig-21 and F-4

A quick browse seems to indicate at least several dozen kills (of each other) for both aircraft

 

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Yummy , smeghead , I'll pick the meat of this bird over the holidays

thanks a bunch and merry xmass all !



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Very interesting. Thanks for the link.

From what I could tell a F-100 shot down a MiG-17 but I didn't see where any F-100's were lost to MiG's. Maybe I over looked it?

I think something on there could be a typo. They list a F-102 being lost but I'm not aware that any were sent to SEA. Could it have been a F-100, RF-101, or F-105?

 

64th FIS/405th FW
82nd FIS/51st FW
509th FIS/405th FW

All flew F-102As and TF-102As from bases in Vietnam and Thailand.

Edit: Deuce in SEA camo
http://www.svsarah.com/Non-Sailing/Naha ... rotate.JPG

 

Very good! I had no idea.

 

For some reason, I just wanted to keep searching for more information about Deuces in SEA.

"A total of 15 F-102 fighters were lost in Vietnam. Three were shot down by anti-aircraft or small arms fire, one was lost in air-to-air combat with a MiG-21, four were destroyed on the ground during Viet Cong mortar attacks, and the remainder succumbed to accidents."

The lost F-102 was from 509th FIS. Two 102s were flying a MIGCAP mission over Laos when they were jumped by a group of MiG-21s and the Deuce was shot down with no losses to the MiGs.

 

I wish an entire wing of F22s were there at the time, to give those Migs a Sidewinder or 10.

 

The Phantoms had Sidewinders.

Air to Air missiles back then had one bad problem. They could get confused and seak the plane that launched them. This usually happened when lot of manuevering was happening and the missiles track to the best signal.

 

That's gonna' leave a mark on an Air Force ace's permament record. Getting shot by his own missile.

 

It happened a couple times and the Soviet made missiles had the same flaw but not much is recorded about them.

 

So, just to clarify, the obvious landslide winner is the Mig 19, right?