"Nazi Gold Train" Found in Poland?

And another update:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11835366/Suspected-location-of-mystery-Nazi-gold-train-set-ablaze-but-authorities-insist-it-wasnt-arson.html

 

Ah well, pretty misleading. The announcement from a few days ago suggested some government equipment detected an armored train. Now, it appears he (the cultural minister guy) was only looking at the amateur data. I've watched enough of those history shows to know that when you drag one of those ground penetrating radars around it only shows disturbed vs intact earth. Nobody questions (I don't think) that a tunnel once ran through that hill, so the evidence is no evidence at all.

 

"The mystery surrounding a legendary Nazi gold train buried in Poland took a new twist after the suspected location of the armoured train and its cargo went up in flames.


The embankment by the Wroclaw-Walbrzych main line considered to be the favourite for the train’s location in the town of Walbrzych, southern Poland, was burnt along with 219 square yards of forest and bush on it."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11835366/Suspected-location-of-mystery-Nazi-gold-train-set-ablaze-but-authorities-insist-it-wasnt-arson.html

219 Square yards is 1,971 Square feet- or about the size of a four bedroom house. Probably lightning or a fag end.

 

Or a bolt of fire from ZEUS HISSELF! Nah, probably not.

 

The hill mysteriously caught on fire? Obviously the Curse of the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Panzergrenadier Regiment. Or maybe even caused by the ghost of Peiper himself!

 

In german television was a short footage about it, there are a lot of people running around there. Most of them don't know why.
- There are so many people here, it is impossible that there is no reason for it - The usual mistake of stupid people.

An official polish woman expressed hope, that they will find the Bernsteinzimmer, some lost paintings and 70 tons of gold.

Complete bullshit in my mind.

 

guten morgen or gute nacht ? the train is either there or it isn't.......maybe it's a train or cars, maybe from WW2 maybe not...maybe the skeleton of Martin Bormann is there

 

Something of a relief - I'm having a hard time as it is, saving up money toward my Burmese Spitfire which is due to arrive at the Docks anytime soon.......

 

As strange as this is and is getting as the months progress since the initial report, its definitely captured attention.

 

The best source for this story is War Online. Thepeople are onei german, and one pol. Deathbed confession of one of the train guards. Anyway they had a picture of one of the air ducts for the tunnel shown uncovered, a deep scan of the train in the tunnel, and a shot of the train I think. Look at it yourself. The best source of the story. Who knows what's there. Remember the soldier in Texas who had all the paintings in a secret room in his house. No one knew but him. It was discovered after his death. If no one talks secrets can remain hidden for a long time, perhaps forever.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3218376/Treasure-hunters-reveal-Nazi-loot-gold-train-tunnel-Polish-secret-agents-set-hi-tech-equipment-site-digging-won-t-start-SPRING.html

looks like a clown show so far....how many paintings did this guy have?? possible that this is a tremendous find, but I say unlikely...it's not like it's an atrocity they needed to keep secret....even if they didn't tell the railroaders/etc what was on the train, many people would've been suspicious of the ''secrecy''...people can tell and sense if something very different or strange is going on

 

Another update:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11843875/Polish-soldiers-seal-off-Nazi-gold-train-location-as-finders-reveal-their-clear-evidence.html

 

15thusinfantry mentioned a site above. It took me a while to find it because it's warhistoryonline, not war online.

There's an interesting photo on the page linked below that is purportedly a camera shot from a bore hole into the tunnel. It IS a train in a tunnel, but it's out there with no source or other info.


https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/live-updates-is-this-it-the-gold-train-allegedly-taken-inside-the-tunnel.html

 

KB, the warhistoryonline site is rather interesting and certainly eclectic but has loads of good photographs if you run down all the links. Many I have never seen which at my age is rather rare. some I do not agree with , text, but the images are great, thanks.

Gaines

 

Hey Kodiak,

I can get you a good deal on a bridge in Brooklyn. Seriously...I have the deed, and it can be yours for $500,000.

What people can do with Photoshop is impressive. However, my Nikon D5300 has a function called "Color Sketch" that can produce similar results.


However, apparently the poster "Exen" does not know of this internet website called Google or another one called Wikipedia.
For instance



The reality is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Gold_Train
Only the ultimate fate of some 200 paintings is in question, Austria wound up with them, instead of Hungary, and then they went missing.

I was wondering how a second "Gold Train" went "missing"...When that is clearly an American soldier standing on the running board of one of the box cars.


So, no, I am not buying this site's information. No way. No how.

 

It's interesting that nobody is making a claim on that photo, so your photoshop suggestion might be correct I think we'll know pretty soon if a train is there or not. The Polish government is in there and they are going to take a look. There is (or was) a tunnel there. And it's entirely possible a train is in that tunnel. IF there is a train, then you have to look at a hundred possible reasons why it might be there. It might be as simple as blowing the ends of the tunnel to deny a trainload of rations (whatever) to the approaching Red Army. Or, there may not be a train there. The tunnel is real though.

That site isn't making any claims one way or the other, just collecting bits and putting them in one place.

 

You can narrow it down the reasons somewhat. A train with rations, or anything else flammable, could be easily destroyed simply by burning. So, if something was buried in the tunnel, it would be something not easily destroyed by other means.

If whatever is buried, and if it was very valuable, then why not blow the whole tunnel? Why only the end/s?

Unfortunately, I can offer only more questions and no answers.

I would hope that the website would also be analyzing the bits as to veracity, and only placing the verified claims. Posting any & all claims, regardless of veracity, benefits no one.

 

The plot thickens.

 

Less explosive materials, and if it was something you might want to recover later (if they pushed the Soviets back) it would still be intact and easier to dig out - arms or even drums of fuel which were as valuable as gold at that point. I'm just throwing stuff against the wall here, I have no idea. At this point in the war, most of the rail infrastructure was destroyed and if the Wehrmacht had something valuable they couldn't take with them, why not hide it?

What's getting interesting is that the Polish government has been there for a week or ten days now. Surely, they have access to far greater technology and experts than these treasure hunters. Hell, I know a guy named "Bunch" that drills water wells that could have drilled a six or eight inch hole into that tunnel in about two hours - it's only 70 meters down! So, I'm pretty sure they've determined if a train is down there by now. Why the silence?

I want to reiterate something that was mentioned earlier. This was NOT Poland in 1945. It was German Silesia, annexed into the Reich. Most of the Poles had been driven out and those that remained were little more than slave laborers. The whole Gau was filled up with German immigrants who took all the property and any jobs above laborer. There are some pitiful films of German refugees pouring back into the shrunken Germany from Czechoslovakia, Prussia, Silesia, in May of 45. Nobody knows how many never made it back. Tens of thousands of them were killed, not by the Soviets but by enraged Poles, Czechs, Slovaks.

Knowing that, it wouldn't surprise me that IF a train of any kind was hidden, any small group of army or civilians who knew that secret didn't survive to tell the tale. Most of the soldiers would have been killed or died in Soviet captivity, the civilians might have been been pressed into Volkssturm units and suffered the same fate - or killed in the big slaughters of May, 45, by the locals.

I'm still 40/60 on a train being there (just because the Polish government is being so quiet), though I'd put the odds of it being full of gold, jewels and art at less than 5%.