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    GunSlinger86 Well-Known Member

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    How did the supposed super-beings from Atlantis somehow end up all the way in Central Asia, in Tibet?
     
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    The EU is a Nazi plan for peacetime in Europe, Germany can't survive on it's own with out a block it seems.
     
  3. GunSlinger86

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    With facts coming out now that Martin Bormann actually escaped, his skull had post-1940s dental technology work and his bones had clay/dirt local to South America and not Europe, and the fact the West smuggled out and employed many Nazis in intelligence and science, building up NATO, West Germany, the cold war, the crusade on communism, is starting to shine a different light.
     
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    What specifically is it shining a light on?
     
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    This looks like a classic time to invoke Godwin.
     
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    The post-war world, a more realistic view on the cold war and what forces and motives were driving it behind the scenes.
     
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    My take is pretty mainstream. Communism, in essence, won out in the east. The allies knew of the potential and scope of the Russians. There were no punches pulled from Stalin and his personal, political ideology. Yes, it's a little more complicated then that I grant you, but that was the price of a three front war.
     
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    The Cold War, the "Crusade" on Communism was a covert, propagandist, ideological, psychological war in similar in many ways to the Nazis war on Communism. The Western Allies took it over, with covert help from the Nazis in the intelligence and Scientific Communities. In Nazi ideology, which I'm not supporting nor saying it was correct, International Jewish financiers were the invisible force behind Communism. In the Nazis eyes, Fascists were the invisible force behind the Western Bloc in defeating communism.
     
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    Stalin had prepared his spy ring in the west for along time.

    https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Events/1942-1945/espionage.htm

    "The Soviet Union proved more adept at espionage, primarily because it was able to play on the ideological sympathies of a significant number of Americans and British as well as foreign émigrés. Soviet intelligence services devoted a tremendous amount of resources into spying on the United States and Britain. In the United States alone, hundreds of Americans provided secret information to the Soviet Union, and the quality of Soviet sources in Britain was even better. (In contrast, during the war neither the American nor the British secret services had a single agent in Moscow.) The Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA) had thousands of members, a disproportionate number of whom were highly educated and likely to work in sensitive wartime industries. Many physicists were members of the CPUSA before the war. This does not mean that every member of the CPUSA was willing to supply secret information to the Soviet Union, but some were and some did.
    Of the Soviet spies not caught during the war, one of the most valuable was the British physicist Klaus Fuchs. Fuchs first offered his services to Soviet intelligence in late 1941. Soon thereafter, he began passing information regarding British atomic research. Soviet intelligence lost contact with him in early 1944 but eventually found out that Fuchs had been reassigned to the bomb research and development laboratory at Los Alamos as part of the newly-arrived contingent of British scientists. Fuchs worked in the Theoretical Division at Los Alamos, and from there he passed to his Soviet handlers detailed information regarding atomic weapons design. Returning home to begin work on the British atomic program in 1946, he continued to pass secret information to the Soviet Union intermittently until he was finally caught (largely due to VENONA), and in January 1950 he confessed everything.

    In 1950, the confession of Klaus Fuchs led the FBI to his handler, Harry Gold, who in turn led the FBI to David Greenglass. When confronted, Greenglass confessed, implicating his wife Ruth and his brother-in-law, Julius Rosenberg. This was soon confirmed through VENONA intercepts (Rosenberg was codenamed ANTENNA and LIBERAL, Ethel was WASP, Greenglass was BUMBLEBEE and CALIBER, and his wife Ruth was OSA). The "rolling up" of the espionage ring stopped, however, with the Rosenbergs. Julius and Ethel (who knew of her husband's activities and at times assisted him) both maintained their innocence and refused to cooperate with authorities in order to lessen their sentences. Because of his cooperation, Greenglass received only 15 years, and his wife, Ruth, was never formally charged. The Rosenbergs were sentenced to death. "

    Stalin was not playing games and he had his people everywhere seeking knowledge.
     
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    In the cold war both sides had a "superweapon" and made widespread use of it.

    The soviets had ideology, and could fan hope of a better future on the "dowtrodden masses" , no matter that the Communists never worked out a way of getting rid of the party once the revolution was successful and that the approach was hugely vulnerable degenerating into a dictatorship of the worst kind, a lot of people were still attracted to the idea as it fit a need for a solution to what were obvious injustices.

    The US had the "mighty greenback" that had its own set of undesirable side effects, politicians on the pay of a foreign power have a tendency not to stay bought when bullets are flying and corruption, once it becomes a habit, is horribly difficult to eradicate, doing so usually requires some sort of armed revolt that will play into the Soviet's strengths.

    The nazi equivalent was "racial superiority", pride and self confidence can do wonders for a fighting force, the drawback there was, of course, that that sort of ideology will sooner or later get everybody else to shoot a you.
     
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    Fascism itself is a corporatism, where a few elite, wealthy clique use oppression and terror to keep themselves in power while suppressing opposition and communism, which is a threat to private corporate power. This is why Allen Dulles and Wall Street funded the Nazis early on and other fascist dictatorships, because they are global fascists at the end of the day, and private corporate wealth and power in their minds has the right to run the world.
     
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    The Dulles', Harrimans, McCloys. Bushes, etc. All supported eugenics and private corporate power in the public interest, but this part of history is often overlooked, passed over, or flat out avoided.
     
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    It was National Socialism, but a main driver of it was private enterprise, private initiative, and private wealth, which Hitler felt would lead to the most success in Industry, etc. The corporate fascists of Wall Street have much in common with European fascists in the 20th century which is why I'm sure they supported them.
     
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    In the early 20th century a few states in the US passed and put into practice Eugenics laws and actions. US segregation was also a Hitler influence. History doesn't discriminate and no one's hands are completely clean.
     
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    Yes, no one hands are completely clean. But there is no comparison between systematic genocide. Any attempt to create that comparison is strictly to bait a futile debate on the topic.
     
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    I'm not comparing anything to genocide. I'm simply citing policies and ideas that influenced Hitler that were used in "free, democratic" America.
     
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    Hitler had some things in history that seem to have boosted him. Unfortunately the source is not here with me now.

    "Hitler may have had some "inspiration" of the Armenian genocide ca 1916-17 as he occasionally referred to this before war and laughed that nobody cared about it and will not care what happens to the Jews."

    It is like one person killed is murder, 50 people killed is a massive murder, 500 000 or more is stats. :(
     
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    Just like US segregation and US eugenics programs were "inspiration." I agree with the Armenian point too.
     
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    Forgive me but can you please source the information that the US "practice" of eugenics was a primary influence on AH's thinking and policy?
     
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    Yes. I have indeed read statements and articles stating that, I'll look them up now
     

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