Obama has won

You've obviously failed to read the forum guidelines Redcoat.
See the section that says: "Thou shalt agree at all costs with the mighty DA's socio-political viewpoint, and any and all contrary comment is automatically deemed unworthy, unwelcome, and a complete waste of everybody's time.".

Oh,
Hang on...
How queer... I seem to have misread that, and there does also seem to be something rather strange in there about this being a discussion forum...
Hmmmm, you may just have a point here .


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I'll get my coat.

Cheers,
Adam.

 

I think we have to remember is that the views of Americans and Brits, or people of any other country, will differ on many issues including gun ownership based strictly on the differences in those societies. We need to just learn to respectfully disagree and realize that one mans opinion is no more important than anothers. The views vary greatly on these subjects within the different demographic regions within the U.S. Ask someone from Massachusetts thier view on gun ownership and it will probably vary greatly from someone in Montana or Alabama. Thats why we as Americans need to have some issues settled on a state by state basis and not on a federal level. One of the greatest tragedies in American history is the fact that the issue of states rights versus federal law was tied to the obamination of slavery.

 

what states Dave ?

here is southern Orygun states rights if you want to call it that are run up to my north where there is the heavier population(s). down in the south literally nothing is on the top adjenda for the state in th3e way of getting things done down here. many wonder if our voices are or ever been heard .........pretty tacky but it's been this way since the 60's.

 

That's the problem with democracy Erich, it represents the opinions of the greater numbers. Basically mob rule with a vote in the middle

 

Tomcat-
Some of you younger men actually act more mature than the older men on here.
Stefen, i was not saying you were a 3rd grader,i meant some of you men on the gun laws lost track of you're selfs.

 

Don't worry foxy, it was skunk called me a third grader.

 

What is wrong with you guys?

No one is beating up anyone else about McDonald's in Australia. I agree with Tomcat that McDonald's is really tasteless food and lousy service and a bad thing, generally. I was merely pointing out that it wasn't Americans in general, who were responsible for the chain being established in Australia. It was the management of McDonald's Corporation, and the Australians who seemed to really LIKE McDonald's, as evidenced by so many of them spending their money in McDonald's fast-food restaurants.

Now Stefan and Miguel B. claim that is attacking someone; it isn't.

Firefoxy asked a question about what was the Second Amendment, and I explained that it was part of the Bill of Rights, and an important part of the American Constitution. All of a sudden, The same two people again claim I am defensive, and again attacking people; that is Bu11Sh**T. Then RAM suggests I am joking about the Second Amendment and I explained that I am NOT joking and referenced documentary evidence to that effect. I made no attacks on anyone and have made no personal attacks on anyone's character or opinion.

I resent the implication that anyone who explains or defends the Second Amendment, or explains the dynamics of international business is automatically defenseive and immature. It seems to me that people who have suggested that are themselves immature and insecure.

 

Oh, well, in that case, please forgive me for disagreeing with your almighty opinion and the others that you so cavalierly characterize as "public opinion".

You mean, if your government grants you the FAC. Can you do it right now? No. then can you keep the rifle in your home or frive around with it in the gun rack in you truck. And can any citizen (or subject) in good standing do so? I don't think so.

Then why do you attack me as "defensive" and "immature" when I disagree? Is your opinion more valid than mine? Have I ever behaved in less than an adult manner? Have I insulted or belittled anyone? If you answer "yes", to any of those questions, please provide examples.

I see, when I express an opinion that you don't like, I'm "flipping my lid". When you say I'm "defensive" or "immature" it's not attacking me, just disagreeing with my opinion. When someone posts a message you deem to be "witty", I'm supposed to interpret their remarks as humorous, and therefore I'm not allowed to make a serious response, disagree, or, indeed express any opinion. Thank you so much for outlining the rules for me.

Check the thread, I didn't bring it up. I was answering a question from another member about the Second Amendment. You and Miquel B, however attack my statements as "defensive"; Why? I can only assume because you disagree with my post.

Whoa! Just who did I attack? And what were they trying to learn? It was you and Miguel B who started in on me as "defensive" and "attacking" and tending to "flip my lid" at everybody. Why is that? Again I can only assume that you disagree with my opinions, but don't have the courtesy, or perhaps the ability, to counter them logically.

Better go back and re-read the entire thread. I didn't bring up gun control. and haven't been "barking at the moon", whatever that means. But I an getting sick of you and some others that attack my opinions not with facts and logic, but by claiming I'm "attacking people". Next time you accuse me of that, I'd appreciate it if you provide a specific example, I don't think you will be able to support you false accusations.

 

I'm curious, Tomcat, why do you feel I "flipped my lid" at your "witty " remark? Can you give me a specific example?

 

That's all I'm doing. But Stefan clearly can't accept that someone elses opinion has equal validity. I have never said or implied that others can't criticize anything American. But when they do, I reserve the right to disagree with them and tell them why, just as you would. But Stefan doesn't like to hear that and it clearly means the American is "flipping his lid", or "getting defensive" no matter what he says or how he says it.

 

Interesting. I suppose you and Stefan feel a "discussion" is only for your opinions to be aired. If I express mine, then I'm "attacking people" or "flipping my lid". I guess that's because I don't instantly agree with you and the rest of the Brit crowd. Please forgive me for transgressing against such overpowering logic and overwhelming data. I now realize just being polite and courteous isn't enough, I also must be in agreement.

 

Not only at my post, but a few matey, here a few examples of your replies.

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you have said, actually mostly I agree with you, however I believe it was merely the way you conducted yourself through your posts which seem to have come cross as both defensive and aggressive and in some cases, name calling, which I don't believe was appropriate or called for, which may have been a factor in this war words.

 

What was this thread about again ? "gun control", or my a "my country is better than yours" contest? This is neither a Brits vs Yanks or whatever nationality, nor NRA vs banning guns. It's about the election of a president, or at least I thought, (what's his name again? ).

 

There you go DA, Tomcat has happily provided examples. Anyhow, this is getting silly. Maybe it is all of us who are wrong and you don't over-react to anything, ever, you are always entirely justified and your posts are never condescending, offensive or indeed occasionally misguided. I'm a big enough man to admit I might be wrong, though maybe you should consider that if people (including people who aren't debating anything with you) perceive your threads as defensive etc, maybe they are?

'Barking at the moon,' an irrational behavior found in some dogs, when they are scared by and bark at the moon despite the fact it is no threat to them and is thousands of miles away. Used as a metaphor for people who get very angry about things that don't matter and aren't going to influence them or anybody else.

Anyhow, bacon sandwiches and a cup of tea beckon. There are two things we have you guys don't (of more use than a rifle in every day life too), access to bacon and decent tea!

 

What's being objected to is all the "who cares what you say" commentary DA, not your opinions. I agree with you on some things and Stefan on others, (I even agree with those damned cheeky Antipodeans from time to time!), but these places just wouldn't work if we didn't allow all sorts of contrary opinions to rub along. The very existence of forums means that everybody present is intrigued by what everybody else has to say, and if blanket dismissals of anyone else's right to comment were an accepted norm it'd kill 'em stone dead, and the different perceptions from country to country are also often an integral part of what makes them interesting. Historical debate can be more objective, but political will always be subjective - so a pinch of salt has to be taken.

Now as I fear the Grofaz's mighty Helmet (ahem) I shall withdraw, we all knew the thread would likely turn a bit nasty at some point but I have to say it's stayed remarkably civil for nearly all of it, not bad really... particularly when you peek at some other forums (fori?). I've read a fair few rather silly 'death threat' type 'debates' in this area over the last few weeks - this one's at least a literate bit of bickering .

Cheers, (And handshakes all round? Hard feelings based on non-verbal socio-political communication being pointless & detrimental to the far more important historical stuff.)
Adam.

 

I believe it is 'fora'

 

On another note, did anyone see Bush's speech after the election?

'Some people may be worried, may be worried about getting a new job, worrying about where they are going to live. I know how you feel...'

Not bad for Bush.

 

I have noticed there always seems to be this kind of rivalry between the British and the Americans, about either the way they conduct there wars to politics and even everyday life, why is that?

I mean here in Australia there is always the "Bloody Yanks are at it again" or the "Bloody pommies and there 'Tea and Scones' ", but just for the record we don't like one over the other, since we hate you all equally. lol

Just for those who misread, that is a joke. Australia loves it ties with both Britain and America and is willing to fight side by side with both, I believe as a nation we have the best from both of the two countries.