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Discussion in 'Naval Warfare in the Pacific' started by mike471, Apr 25, 2014.

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  1. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Pearl Harbor conspiracy theories have been discussed here ad nauseum and usually are accepted with a very jaded eye due to proponents of said theories never being able to produce anything beyond conjecture and possibility. Most of these theories are well beyond the realm of probability, usually because of the numbers of people who would have to be involved and who would be required to keep their mouths shut are astronomical and because some incidents may have occurred at similar times. Concurrence does not equal causality.

    The request made of you was to produce something based on historically verified occurrences that could be the subject of a discussion and not theories put forth by a novelist. This is a historical forum, not a literary one. Give the guys here something to talk about and they will talk about it.
     
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  2. lwd

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    As others have mentioned:
    1) Why would Japan agree to this.
    2) Most of the Pacfic fleet was at Pearl.
    3) 1984 is a novel, orwell wasn't that good of a futureist or a writer for that matter.
    4) Are you sure it wasn't the LGMs or the BEMs?
     
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  3. O.M.A.

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    mike471, no one here is claiming omniscience over this or any issue. From the threads I've read on this site, I'd put the level of knowledge at the very upper tier of historians. If there was a sniff of bullsh!t in the official Pearl Harbor attack version, someone here would at least have a whiff of it and let us know. You are free to hold any view on the Pearl Harbor attack you like, but please be aware there is a whole lot of evidence for the widely known version of events.

    Also, for the record, 1) George Orwell wasn't commenting on WW2 history. and 2) The fact that some women are unfaithful doesn't in any way equate to a secret agreement between the US and Japan prior to the attack.
     
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  4. Takao

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    Orwell wasn't a futurist...He was writing about his view on the "present." Reverse 84 and you get 48, as in 1948, the year he wrote the book, although it would be published in 1949.
     
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  5. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    Another Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory. This, however, is a new one. I've never seen Pear Harbor and 1984 compared. I read the book many years ago, and never thought of equating it with Pearl Harbor. I don't see the connection. From my reading, it doesn't seem possible or likely that there was any collusion between the US and Japan. The end result of the war makes it hard to believe. There have been numerous conspiracy theories concerning Pearl Harbor. I suggest you read them before commenting further.
     
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  6. OpanaPointer

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    NVM
     
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  7. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    Good to see you around the joint, Larry. Hope you'll be a regular contributor.
     
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  8. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Depends on whether you lot have started bathing regularly.

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  9. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    I bathe once a year, whether I need it or not. I don't know about the others.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    As long as you keep the corrosion under control I'm fine with that.
     
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  11. formerjughead

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    Don't let Lou kid ya....his toe nails are do for a Major Over Haul
     
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    If anything, the highest levels of government may have "looked the other way" or not paid as much attention to detail at the lead up to Pearl Harbor. And I even have a friend from the Air Force who said people at the highest levels of government had a hand in 911, and there are way too many coincidences in that mess. God bless the False Flag.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    The reason for "looking the other way" would be....
     
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  14. Slipdigit

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    I even have a friend from the Air Force who says the highest levels of government weren't involved (except in the aftermath), so who's friend is correct?
     
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    Excuse me....what is this "False Flag" you speak of?
     
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    For those of you not familiar with the concept:

    The "false flag" here would require foreknowledge of the attack, something nobody can provide actual evidence for.
     
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  17. formerjughead

    formerjughead The Cooler King

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    Well that is quite disconcerting. Was there a sale on tin foil hats at the Wal Mart?
     
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  18. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Fitting as this is my fiftieth year of following this conspiracy myth.
     
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  19. Kai-Petri

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    Personally I believe that stopping giving fuel to Japanese was enough. They only had 6 months to manuevre their fleet after which the fuel would have ended. If FDR said he did not know he was an idiot. The idea was to force the Japanese to agree to a deal about China and other places,for sure. Perhaps FDR wanted to join the war, who knows. making an ultimatumto Japan was not a peace offer, it was war or peace offer.
     
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  20. LRusso216

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    Haven't we talked about this before? I've done some reading about it, and nothing I've seen suggests foreknowledge by the government. Mistakes abound, but none of them lead me to believe the attack was known about beforehand. Most of the "conspiracy" seems to be cobbling together these errors and attributing them to some grand scheme. "Three may keep a secret if two of them are dead."

    By the way Brad, it's only one toenail, and it's been taken care of.
     
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