Pearl Harbor was a TRAP TO CATCH A (JAPANESE)

I am not supporting here either side here but I wouldn't trash Dexter's claims so easily either. His story is an interesting one, though. There were substantial interests to drag America into the war; there is no doubt about that. Also, American industry has profited from producing enormous quantities of weapons for allied forces. A motive is there.

I understand claims that American political system is rather efficient but as long as politicians are involved, everything is possible. You are lucky; we Europeans wouldn't be sure about virtues of politicians. I don’t think that Japanese attack indeed was such a big surprise. A controversy will exist, at least.

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Right! Now that you mention it I remember. But there is still the Martin-Bellinger Report that rates a carrier attack as ' the most likely and dangerous form of attack'.

 

Indeed they did. They also included carrier attacks on the Panama canal and West Coast I beleive. That isn't all that relevant to what they believed the Japanese were capable of however.

In particular they didn't know about the underway refueling which was critical for the escort vessels.

That report doesn't susport your arguement. In particular while it address the threat to PH it doesn't address the capability of Japan to do it from a "standing start".

I don't think this is quite correct. Prior to the out break of the war the two most likely forms of Japanese attacks on Hawaii were taken to be submarine attacks and sabotage. Since Short responded to the latter and Kimmel to the former. It's not clear just how much they worried about it or how much the others you mention worried about it.

 

The guests came to the table, the Japanese and Nazis and Italians sat on one side. They brought carriers, a surprise, and Toronto. On the other side sat the UK and the US. They brought a prostitute and a beautiful virgin respectively.

The purpose of the party was to make a pie, Pearl Harbor!

 

... Toronto go in the pie dough, or was it a filling??

 

The UK and the Italians had their asses kicked, so they would tend to be proactive. The Nazis and the US tried to ignore each other, they had a history. So it was the Japanese with the experience of the Italians at Toronto who made the crust of the pie, they would abuse the virgin, Aloha!

The prostitute would provide sugar to lure the abused virgin into the Europe conflict. The virgin brought the plums of midway, sea planes and more carriers.

And, finally the Nazis brought icing, but the bag was empty! What could have been in the bag?

Assumptions of petty emotions of Japanese saving face of impotence and Hitler's ego to be the one to declare war underestimate the enemy. This was a pie of pies, grand tactics were in play, no place for ten year olds. No place for bluffing.


What could the Nazis have in the bag for icing, that would further drive the raped virgin into further isolationism, which would take the worry off Japan of a Joan of Arc on the warpath in the pacific, and of the Nazis that the US would intervein in Europe?

 

I got that info from Gordon Prange's 'Verdict of History'. It says that short was more or less alone in his worries about sabotage. It also quotes Kimmel telling a friend that he never believed the Japanese would attack PH.

 

Off to a party, think on this one! Avoid volume.

 

Eh?

"Toronto" is the capital of Ontario. "Taranto", on the other hand, was where the Italian fleet was crippled by a Royal Navy air attack. One has a lot to do with Pearl Harbor. The other has no connection.

 

Dexter is drawing a parallel between Taranto and Pearl Harbor, but refers to it as Toronto in two messages.

In the War of 1812, Toronto (then called Fort York) was attacked by the Americans and burnt. I don't see what this has to do with Pearl Harbor either. Both were suprise attacks, and that is the only similarity.

EDIT: Nevermind. Sometimes internet sarcasm is hard to decipher.

 

... "Taranto" was a Potawatomi chief, killed at the Battle of Stoney Creek, "Toronto" was something the Japanese put in their pie crust to attract virgins so they could party, no?

Opana, methinks you've done all this before?

 

... ever come across Craig Burke, aka Admiral Furashita and the others at Nihon Kaigun?

Admiral U. Furashita's Fleet