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Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by Slipdigit, Oct 9, 2014.

  1. Otto

    Otto GröFaZ Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I really, really enjoy threads like this one. Lots of good insight into weaponry for CQB.

    My CC weapon of choice is the Ruger sr9c with a shoulder holster, usually under a dress jacket. Unfortunately the culture in Chicago is one where every business has a no guns sign in the window, even public transportation like the subway and trains have banned them, and that's more than likely where you might need protection. I do need something a bit smaller for a pocket gun, and this thread has helped a whole lot in that decision making process.

    Admittedly I have very little experience with pockets auto pistols, but I don't think recoil is as much a concern with them. For what you might be using them for, a very close range shot or three, I don't think uber precision shooting is what I'd care about.
     
  2. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I guess I feel okay specifically mentioning that I have it. After all, I actually bought this weapon from a store so the federalles know about it.

    I purchased a Ruger LCP .380. Price greatly influenced my decision, but there were still several weapons to pick from within my price range.

    I've shot it about 250 times and eldest daughter about 75. She likes it a great deal and I probably will get her one when she turns 18 this summer.

    It handles well, is easily concealable, and fits almost anywhere. It weighs about the same as my wallet, so it balances out well if I have it in one jacket pocket and and wallet in a pocket on the other side.

    I had narrowed it down to this and a S&W. I preferred the fit in my hand and the action was smoother with the Ruger, so it got the nod.

    Don't worry Keith, I still have a couple of hand cannons
     
  3. Otto

    Otto GröFaZ Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I've shot an LCP and it shared a feature with many other pocket auto pistols that really annoys me. A long, spongy trigger pull. Many people don't mind it, but it really irks me. I like a short, sharp trigger, which is why I enjoy the sr9. A pocket pistol almost is in it's own class. Looking forward to trying the mustang when I have the chance.
     
  4. formerjughead

    formerjughead The Cooler King

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    That is something which is endemic to "striker" fired pistols. It has taken me quite a while to get used to it with my XD. It's something that can be addressed through drop in trigger upgrades and spring sets.
     
  5. TD-Tommy776

    TD-Tommy776 Man of Constant Sorrow

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    Well, Jeff, if you could pull off having that gun in post #57 hidden in your pants pocket without anyone noticing the difference, my hat's off to ya!


    Sounds like you made a good choice, Jeff. Ruger is a good manufacturer, and the LCP does meet your needs. If you're going to use in for specific situations, then the recoil and trigger are issues that can be tolerated.
     
  6. Poppy

    Poppy grasshopper

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    Let's talk about chick's, man.

    These ladies had some real issues with trigger pull.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7nWBMIeIXI
     
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    Is it possible or too expensive to get the trigger adjusted to suit you more? I seem to recall that this was mod that is commonly done for target pistols. I accidently lightened the trigger action on my Dragoon to a point where I'm reluctant to even load it so this may not a job to be undertaken lightly.
     
  8. dobbie

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    A combination of springs and stoning the contact surfaces will gain a better feeling trigger. Probably best left to someone with experience in doing these things.
     
  9. dobbie

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    A combination of springs and stoning the contact surfaces will gain you a better feeling trigger. Probably better left to the mechanically inclined or to a gun smith. One of the reasons why I like the 1911 platform-good parts are available from a number of sources and the trigger group is simple and direct.
     
  10. KodiakBeer

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    You really don't want to improve the trigger on this type of pistol. There's no safety, so the trigger is deliberately made with a long and heavy pull so it won't get set off accidentally. If you google "Glock Leg" you'll begin to understand how common accidents are with this style of trigger.
     
  11. Poppy

    Poppy grasshopper

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    "No safety" sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
     
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    The idea is to be like a double action revolver with a long pull to set them off. They're fine if you're the clear-headed type.
     
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    KB really knows his guns ! With the exception of the Mustang and it's Sig copy the 238 which are single actions and the rather unique Glock dual striker system the rest seem to be striker fired. First the Glock, the 42 in the 380 pocket class, it uses the slide mass upon firing to partially compress the striker spring you you only have to complete about half the motion. It technically has a trigger safety that you compress with your finger as you pull it. You sr the trigger pull on the Glock by changing trigger modules. Police Glocks usually have 10+ pound triggers for safety, civilian Glocks have a 5.5 pound pull, I believe, and target Glocks have a 3.5. Even with the trigger safety the 3.5 and 5.5 Glocks take lots of practice. to be safe.

    The LCP, like most of the others uses the trigger pull to compress the striker as you pull it. Most of these run 8 to 12 ponds depending on brand and design. You can polish the sear, lighten the spring, etc. but you run the risk of not igniting the primer or the sear tripping before you want.....Gernerally you cannot decrease the length of the pull.

    Serious shooters, I believe the % of them is going down as lots of people just buy a gun ,. load it and do not practice , learn the feel of the pull and learn to squeeze correctly .

    The lack of a safety is similar to to double action revolver , most do not have safeties either. They are not automatically dangerous, only dangerous to one who does not know his gun well and maintain that feel for it.
    I notice on gun forums that many people buy may different types of guns for self defense. An old adage says "Beware of the man with one gun" The premise is that he knows how to use it.

    I bought a Sig 228 in 1990 and still shoot it but arthritis is getting to me so I am thinking about a pistol that is easier to manipulate and shoot. I am considering a S&W J frame 38 Special with Hogue rubber grips.
    I have had a carry permit for 35 years but have never carried a gun concealed so probably will not now.

    Interesting thread.

    Gaines
     
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    My Sigs don't have a safety and I've never felt remotely "unsafe" with them in a holster. The double-action trigger pull (ie: heavy and long) is more than enough to prevent an accidental discharge. If you have to pull hard to make it go bang, you have to put some thought into it first. Most double-action pistols are not like M1911A1s with a crisp and light trigger.
     
  15. dobbie

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    You can make a better trigger pull without making the weapon unsafe. Rule number one-keep your booger hook off the bang switch until you are ready to fire!
     
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    What commonly happens with "Glock Leg" (the term applies to any DA pistol, not just Glock) has no finger involved. Rather, a piece of clothing or something gets caught up in the trigger guard while holstering, and "bang." That doesn't seem likely until you think of concealed carry where the pistol is generally inside the waistband, under a shirt, in the pocket with a loose set of keys, etc.

    Like I said though, such mishaps are the domain of that minority of people who, ummm, aren't clear-headed.
     
  17. Poppy

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    Not a gun guy. Used to be. Can only admire them from a distance now... sniff.
    Would listen to whatever the experienced guys have to say.

    Glock leg sounds like it hurts though.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LE32Riyugg
     
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    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I 'spect it hurts, also. Barney needs to practice his quick draw a few more times.
     
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    TD-Tommy776 Man of Constant Sorrow

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    Yep. A bit to quick to put his finger on the trigger.
     
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    He shouldn't have gotten in that posters face.
     
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